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Middle East live: UN says its peacekeepers refused Israeli request to leave positions in Lebanon (www.theguardian.com)

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A spokesperson for UN peacekeepers in Lebanon on Saturday said that Israel had requested it leave its positions in south Lebanon where Israel is clashing with Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, but they had refused.

They asked us to withdraw “from the positions along the blue line … or up to five kilometers (three miles) from the blue line,” UN Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) spokesperson Andrea Tenenti told Agence France-Presse (AFP), using the term for the demarcation line between both countries. “But there was a unanimous decision to stay,” he said.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 56 points 4 days ago

Respect for staying determined to do the job they was assigned to despite all the risks

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 40 points 4 days ago

The risks of observing Israel commit war crimes. Props to them for staying and fuck the IDF for firing on the UN.

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 2 days ago

Agreed. They are fine folks for what they do. Proud to have them represent the UN.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The risk of being Israeli war crime victims

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 54 points 4 days ago

israel has no right to command anyone else in sovereign country. It has the same value as that degenerated retard putin talking about something happening in Ukraine.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

Good. Brave fellows. I hope their observation of Israeli war crimes ends up used in trials in the future.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 25 points 4 days ago

Can/will the peacekeepers actually shoot back? I can't imagine the orders that they were deployed under accounted for an Israeli ground invasion

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 22 points 4 days ago

The worst scenario, in self-defense, when life is threatened.

The US satellites won't go against Israel.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago

There are three basic principles that continue to set UN peacekeeping operations apart as a tool for maintaining international peace and security.

These three principles are inter-related and mutually reinforcing:

-Consent of the parties
-Impartiality
-Non-use of force except in self-defence and defence of the mandate

https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/principles-of-peacekeeping

[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 16 points 4 days ago

Seems like they have activated condition 3.

[+] tal@lemmy.today -35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Bigger question. Given that it's known that Israel's issuing evacuation orders for places that it's going to hit, why are people on the ground making the call to go or stay? Like, why hasn't this policy call been made at a higher level?

I'd understand if this were the first one going out and nobody had time to make a policy call on it. Then you have to make an ad hoc call quickly.

But this isn't that situation, not now.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Leaving would mean that they can't do the job they was assigned to

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 4 days ago

Why would a peacekeeping force listen to the ones being the aggressors?

Why would anyone be dumb enough to try and order them around or shoot them?

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

israeli government/army are the same assholes as those fuckers surrounding them. hamas, hezbollah, all same shit.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 4 days ago

Gotta love accounts saying why aren't they just following Israel ordersthen finding them saying Israel is keeping the civilian killed ratio at low levels in the same say

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

The Italian defense minister explained it pretty well: https://youtu.be/Ox0AzK7iVe4?si=1D4m8M7B-DIYcBci

There is a UNSC resolution, if Israel has a problem with that, they have to take it up with the UNSC.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago

Because it's their own life at stake and they should always have the choice.

[+] tal@lemmy.today -25 points 4 days ago

In a military operation, there are going to be directives as to how to act. You have RoEs, and usually normally countries are going to make calls as to what they want to do from a policy standpoint with their militaries.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago

The UN isn't a military organization. It is a peacekeeping org and as such is not bound by the same operational rules as an army would be.

[+] tal@lemmy.today -22 points 4 days ago

The soldiers are sent from the militaries of member countries.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Doesn't mean they have the same obligations as normal soldiers. Like unifil soldiers can't engage in offensive attacks unlike soldiers in the members countries armies. Their role is to monitor rather than engage militarly. I don't even think the country members have also the authority to order them to move due to the contract

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

That does not mean they work under military rules. They are under UN control, and the UN is a peacekeeping force. It is not a nation state military force.

[+] tal@lemmy.today -13 points 4 days ago

The UN isn't, but the soldiers themselves are, and are acting for their respective member state military:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_peacekeeping

Most of these operations are established and implemented by the United Nations itself, with troops obeying UN operational control. In these cases, peacekeepers remain members of their respective armed forces, and do not constitute an independent "UN army", as the UN does not have such a force.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 days ago

... with troops obeying UN operational control

That says the UN controls the troops.

They are not an army, they are a peacekeeping force.

They are also under UN rules, not their own nation's.

If the UN decides they can choose to stay or leave, that's what happens.

[+] tal@lemmy.today -12 points 4 days ago

They are not an army,

They are members of their own state militaries acting in an operation headed by the UN.

They have ROEs and similar orders handed to them.

kagis

Here's a sample UN peacekeeping RoE for a recent exercise simulating an actual operation.

https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/english/swedint/engelska/swedint/courses/unsoc/d-29-roe-incl-annex-a-d.pdf

It'll lay out the conditions under which one attacks and to what degree peacekeepers should hold maintain a position given the possibility that it is attacked, who they are authorized to engage, and such.

In this situation, you've got an active conflict underway between Hezbollah and Israel. Like, this isn't going to be a "there's nobody shooting at each other" situation. My point is that normally, countries are pretty particular about the lines for international conflict, and I'd expect an RoE to have specified whether they are expected to maintain positions during an evacuation order or not.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 5 points 4 days ago

I work for company A. Company A is based in Florida, USA. I work in a warehouse owned by Company X, and staffed by Company Z.

As an employee of Company A, I do have my own conduct rules.

That said, when working in Company X's warehouse with Company Z's people, I have a different set of conduct rules, some of which conflict with Company A's rules. But since I'm currently on contract with and on the premises of Company X and Z, their rules take precedent. Company A understands this and is okay with it. I will not be fired.

I am not being condescending, and genuinely hope this helps it click for you.

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