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[-] underisk@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

Be mean to them instead. The only language they understand is smug superiority and condescension.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

That's been a lot of my experiences when I've gone the nice route.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Do someone have the "how to talk to liberal" meme with Huey Newton?

[-] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago
[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Thank you, as always correct way to talk to liberals is: with a gun in your hand.

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

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[-] lil_tank@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Remember the goal of a debate is never to win the person you're debating with but the people who watch you debate

That's why dunking works

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Sometimes they're too far gone, especially if they're privileged :(

[-] Thallo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

I've personally found that approaching an argument as an educational opportunity has been generally effective for me. I've had people come around and actually engage with communist ideas because I present them calmly and simply try to teach.

Sure, it doesn't work all of the time or even most of the time, but I think it works more than being incendiary and insulting, which I think has a 0% chance to get people to engage with your ideas.

If you just want someone to shut up, the incendiary route is definitely better tho.

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yeah you usually have to build it up bit by bit too I've found, with foundational topics relevant to their lived experience. A topic at a time to build out the Marxist framework. It is why it is important to have studied and struggled with the theory enough to be able to speak confidently and coherently and formulate analyses in real-time on a given topic that is relevant to the living reality of the modern day (not just copy/pasting vulgarly from past writings to today as if conditions and circumstances are the same). You need people to accept basic axioms before building things out. And that isn't too hard in of itself. Working people I've found are in general very receptive to foundational principles like propertyless proletarian class position vs capitalist class position, wage labor, capital, value and surplus value extraction; because they live it every day at their shit jobs with shit bosses who do nothing while being paid the most and you can draw a pretty easy line with it. Richard Wolff has done this with a lot of people (though I disagree with him on further extents of his politics, his co-op market socialism stuff). Once they have an understanding of this basic essential axiomatic framework it becomes much easier to build on it and situate it in a historical continuity for them etc. and connect it to broader realities. And as always people involved in struggle with you by their side will be more receptive to having their consciousness heightened than otherwise.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

sorry I'm pulling the ladder up, fuck anyone who has been sleepwalking through the last year. the last bus to remaining human leaves in two weeks

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Egh, depends, nice is good for being in-person, but if they're too terminally online, they prolly invested a lot in their beliefs...

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