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Like ever? I feel like it’s almost guaranteed the more money the worse you become. I know this isn’t very dialectic but it’s true.

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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I worked in some of the fanciest tech companies for a long time, so I met people making up to $400k/year who were pretty cool. The cool ones tend to quit very quickly though, since that much money rapidly pays for a nice house and a retirement, and people who want more than that are messed up.

I don't think I ever met anyone who wasn't a psycho above that line. Often amiable psychos, who you could have a normal conversation with. But something has to be pretty deeply wrong with you if you're making $1m/year and you're not retiring immediately. And you don't even get to that point unless you worked through years of a lesser shitload of money (should've retired already), have some sort of nepotism connection (ie raised into moneyed psychopath culture), or are just a transparently cutthroat monster.

(These are all wages from working, btw. I have no doubt that the cutoff is lower for people living off other people's labor.)

[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

there's an inflection point at which the acquisition of money supercedes any alleged moral goodness. Idk what that point is, but I'd wager it's sub 100kpa

[-] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

I make more than that. I wish we all were, and that's why I'm here.

[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

and now to backflip on my original comment, I'd wager it's more to do with the intention of acquisition. If you're already making enough to live comfortably and then some, putting any further energy into earning more is taking away from your ability to assist others.

Also give me money pls

yeah I make way less than 100k and I've already hit the point where I have no push to strive for more money, beyond just like, asking for raises commensurate to outpace inflation and my increasing experience/responsibilities, and even that I'm not that good about. I'd probably try harder for more if I had aspirations to buy a big house, or if I had a partner and kids to support or whatever, but nah

[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I mean the aus poverty line sits at like $25kpa. That's more than what I earned as a teen/young adult, and it's not nearly enough to live on independently.

I'd love to have the security of owning my own home one day, and splitting expenses with a loved one, but boy howdy is that getting more and more unattainable or what.

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah honestly I'd also still like something more stable than renting, so I guess owning a condo or something is probably still a goal, and ofc so is finding a life partner or something, but I'm in no hurry for either rn, I can barely keep the rest of my life from falling apart, I don't need more responsibility

[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

yea you wanna fall in love to split the cost of living?

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[-] Comp4@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I make less than 50k a year but where I live and how I live makes it feel like a decent amount of money to me. Got no car,pets,children and I live alone in a small but nice place. I feel "ok" from a financial standpoint and I can afford most things I want while still saving some money. It does help that I eat at my parents place quite often and they sometimes chime in with stuff like health bills. Im not wealthy but I dont feel close to poor if that makes sense.

If I had a partner that would also bring in some money I would "feel" really well off. That said owning my own place is currently far out of reach...

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I make like 25k a year and still find ways to give to others less fortunate. I put in $500 of my own money to the fundraiser we had featured, I frequently buy groceries for people that need help, or bring food to unhoused folks even when I am not doing stuff like working at the local FnB free kitchen.

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[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

No need to backflip. That user was in one of the “stop using racist slurs for customising cars” sticking up for racism. And that they’re sad they can’t use slurs on hexbear but will continue to do so in real life. Car-brained bigot. “What would Karl do” is apparently “glorify car culture and use anti-Asian slurs”.

[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

and now to frontflip on my previous comment, my original 100k estimate still stands

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Oh hey it's the "I should be able to use racist terms from 90s car culture" guy

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[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

sub 100kpa

Weirdly enough, this happens to be the pressure at sea level too. Go too far below, and it becomes harder to breathe.

how much is tons

honestly like, not really, but idk, plenty of well-compensated office drones are nice, if not very imaginative people.

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Live in a house with more bedrooms than people who live there. Minus an office or guest room

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was about to say I don't really know anyone like that particularly closely but on second thought... That's literally my brother.

Pretty sure there's a surplus of rooms in that house even if you give each occupant a whole other bedroom for an office. He's not a bad person necessarily but I don't really think I'd say he's a good person either. Politically very mediocre, barely above the bar of my outright contempt (which is far lower than it should be), interpersonally fine I guess.

Maybe they're gonna have kids soon idk, still would be kind of a lot of house.

I vaguely knew another guy with a huge house out in the sticks but idk how many bedrooms and it was presumably a lot more full before he got divorced. Don't think he's a great guy either

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

🤔 ok so my whole extended family which lives in a single large house but we communally pool resources

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

You are literally a kulak. I wear a dirty ushanka at all times, do not shave, and only take cold sponge baths because hot running water is bourgeoisie decadence. Every day at exactly noon I have the same meal of an expired Maoist MRE I store in a pit covered in old issues of a revolutionary newspaper. I sleep in a bed made of flags from every failed revolution so that they are never forgotten. In the evenings I stare at a picture of vodka by candlelight, but I do not allow myself to drink because there is nothing to celebrate.

[-] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Once or twice. But as a whole, not really. I used to go in and out of rich peoples houses for work. 99.9(99999)% of them were absolutely insufferable.

Tangent: I do ok financially and have the typical suburban life. Sometimes I have maintenance or service folks come out. They're always shocked when I offer them coffee, talk about working class struggles (light stuff, like being pro union), and I don't get mad when they give me a bill.

On more than one occasion I've been told we're the favorite family in the neighborhood.

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[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

no. I've met people with tons of money that are better people than some, and who I could tolerate being around or maybe even hanging out with for a bit, but never anyone that I would consider a "good" person in an absolute sense.

edit: damn people in here know people with tons of money. For me "tons of money" is making more than 100k a year.

[-] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

That's a low bar for a lot of expensive locations like Los Angeles, New York or many capital cities. You'd be including 20-30% of people that live there.

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[-] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Yes, but almost never one that wasn't legit poor for at least a year or more sometime earlier in their lives.

I do think they're exceptions though, and I've met plenty of shitheads.

[-] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Yes, I know a great guy making 120k+ a year who is a strong communist from a working class background who made his wealth through lucking out and being really good in his field. (coding)

He donates like half his income to local socialist orgs like renters unions, is active politically at orgs and protests and is an ally.

Every other rich person ive met though throw them off the bridge.

I wouldnt write them all of entirely but I would be biased to wealth; we do need our own engels though so its best to filter them heavily.

[-] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

That's not enough money to be wealthy though

[-] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

it is where i am, they are in the top 1% of earners

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[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know what you're on about. I would live like a king on 120k.

[-] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Like a king? If you're in any of the decent cities in America you're paying rent.

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[-] 31415926535@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Any person I've met who was born into money, been well off their entire lives... even if polite, well meaning, they can be so out of touch, condescending. Meanwhile people I've met who've known poverty, hardship, struggle.... way more down to earth, non-judgmental, willing to share what little they have

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

i used to work for/around 1% types. like trust fund and $100,000,000+ USD net worth from birth types. they were all absolutely terrible people, except one. one was basically OK/friendly, except extremely naive. still relatively young. when they decided to marry, they literally married the one person who had more wealth... some massive property scion whose family owned more than half the county and had some nepo gig as an insurance exec. so maybe the ignorance was an act, but i was sold at the time. i was young too i guess.

i saw a billionaire once. massive metro developer. complete asshole. hideous in appearance and manner. treated everyone, including "business partners" like game board pieces. i worked for a guy who was trying to suckle at his teats on a quasi grift. i thought it was one of those "smart, but not for me" type of situations. but my boss apparently started believing his own hype and spun out of control. i separated from him somewhere in there. so did his extremely clever wife. i dunno if he has actual friends anymore, but he sure knows a lot of shady billionaires and is still always into something with them. when former colleagues send me screenshots from social media, it all looks so hollow and pointless. and literally culty.

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

depends on the job they do. If it's something egotistical like programmer or engineer, no. If it's something like a medical worker, maybe, but I also know some who have a lot of money and are reactionary because the medical field is dogshit and they hate the wrong people.

And while I didn't meet him, the Castro family is mostly based. Raul and Fidel gave away their large family estate to ordinary Cubans to live and work in after the revolution, and their sister became so pissed off that she defected to the US and worked for the CIA against them.

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[-] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

No I’ve met some who were libs though. They inherited their money. Their politics were just left of liberal but they were nice enough. Kind of naieve i would say about the brutality of the real world.

Then there’s the people who made it somehow (luck and privilege) and they are almost universally assholes. That’s how they did it! But i meet a tech person who was rich AF and they are actually a chill liberal nice enough person. But they got rich quick and young and just being very lucky.

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[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

but finger you are rich from all the crime that you did

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Wouldn't say tons of money or good precisely but I knew a music producer/drug dealer who was a pretty decent person

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

No. And I have met and known a fair few. Invariably, their human flaws have been magnified by 1000x whatever the number in their bank account is.

They're more flaw than human, now.

[-] Mokey@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

no even if they seem good and everything checks out otherwise, they have their boot on your neck

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It strips you of empathy so it’s hard to see how someone with a lot of money could ever be a good person. Homelessness wouldn’t exist otherwise.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

All the people with lots of money I've known have been terrible. Granted, they were all rich because their parents were, which is surely a factor.

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