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submitted 12 hours ago by yesman@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I use a box fan to help dry the dishes in the dishwasher. Recently I mistakenly pointed the fan away from the dishes instead of toward them. This appears to be faster and more effective than my normal method. Why?

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[-] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 hours ago

Maybe something to do with vapor pressure?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 4 hours ago

How close is the fan to the dishes? Moving it away and pointing it towards them may work better than being close and blowing.

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 hours ago

Everyone needs vacuum cleaners, nobody needs leafblowers.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -4 points 5 hours ago

Unpopular opinion: vacuum cleaners are redundant expensive bloatware that can be replaced by a broom in 90% of cases. You only need a vacuum cleaner if you have a carpet, and carpets are filthy relics of a bygone era.

[-] kindenough@kbin.earth 3 points 2 hours ago

My dust mite allergy disagrees.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 hours ago

can be replaced by a broom in 90% of cases

only need a vacuum cleaner if you have a carpet

Or a rug, or cloth furniture like a couch, or drapes/curtains, underneath the fridge and other spots a broom just doesn't fit, inside cupboards, probably more places that aren't coming straight to mind

Oh: keyboards!

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yet there have never been less "drapes", curtains and carpets than in a modern home. And oddly humanity got by just fine without vacuum cleaners until - pure coincidence, no doubt - postwar consumer capitalism instructed us that we "needed" these things.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago

Yet there have never been less "drapes", curtains and carpets than in a modern home

My SiL just moved into a home constructed 3 years ago and all but the main living room and bathroom are carpeted. Every window has curtains, the front 2 have blinds as well. The other couple I've been in are the same, and my own homes are similar though constructed in what wouldn't be called modern times for sure

And oddly humanity got by just fine without vacuum cleaners until

We got by just fine without microwaves, cell phones, the Internet, etc. too, guess those are all pointless excesses!

If you don't need a vacuum where you live then don't fucking own one, I did just that when I loved somewhere that only had a small throw rug I could smack against s pole to dust. The whole assuming everyone only has one because we're sheep thing is pathetically stupid, though

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So many hypersensitive thin-skinned vacuum-cleaner owners! Perhaps they're projecting their insecurities because deep down they know I'm right.

Addendum. I will concede your argument for the niche case of keyboards. I once considered buying a handheld one just for that, but decided against on grounds of wastefulness.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago

So many hypersensitive thin-skinned vacuum-cleaner owners!

Lol, someone's upset they were slapped down for their objectively incorrect statement

Some random dip shit on the Internet isn't going to shake my confidence that my house is much easier to clean thanks to my vacuum cleaner, but it's cute you think that

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -2 points 4 hours ago

The more insults you hurl, they more convinced I become of your insecurities.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

The more insults you hurl

Yeah, all 1 I've used in multiple comments so far

Again, some random dipshit saying untrue stuff isn't gonna bother me. I'll go home tonight and vacuum around my desk just for you

[-] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 1 points 56 minutes ago

Dude might be a cocker spaniel. They hate vacuums.

[-] facelessbs@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

While vacuum cleaners might feel like a modern invention, their roots can actually be traced back to the 1800s. Specifically, in 1860, Daniel Hess of West Union, Iowa, invented a device he called a “carpet sweeper.” The apparatus used a combination of bellows for suction and a rotating brush for gathering dust. And while yes if all you have is a hard wood floors the need for a vacuum is diminished but is still helpful. And what is useless for one person is helpful to another. Now there is interesting stories on how the Dyson came around to sell such an expensive vacuum.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 35 points 11 hours ago

When you're sucking the air away it still generates a current over the dishes, but also carries the saturated moist air away so that new drier air replaces it, which becomes saturated and carries more moisture away. When you're blowing the moving air impacts upon the dishes and breaks the flow so the moisture stays closer to the dishes.

Just guessing though.

[-] Phineaz@feddit.org 31 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Blowing into an enclosed space is chaotic, the fan has to push against air currents being deflected. Blowing into an open space (aka sucking out of you dishwasher) is much more orderly, the fan can simply pull the air out and there are much fewer air currents running orthogonal.

This is as far as my very basic knowledge goes here. You can try this effect by exhaling and inhaling air through a barely open mouth or a straw.

EDIT: On a related note, never "blow" during fellatio.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 17 points 11 hours ago

EDIT: On a related note, never "blow" during fellatio.

Well how else are you supposed to inflate it?

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 8 points 10 hours ago
[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

Inflatio causes deflation

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 hours ago

yeah. but it's only okay if you make a balloon animal afterwards

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago
[-] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 13 points 11 hours ago

Counterpoint: sucking blows.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 11 hours ago

¿Por qué no los dos?

[-] Bigfish@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 11 hours ago

Isn't this just a simple case of "get the moisture away"? Blowing into the dishwasher doesn't move the moist air away, it just moves it around in the box. Blowing out pulls the moist air away from the dishes and out into the room.

If your box fan was pushing dry hot air (like a hair dryer), hot enough to meaningfully speed up evaporation, then blowing in would probably be better.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

So you're saying that blowing sucks, and sucking blows?

...okay, serious now. I think that it has to do with air pressure - sucking reduces it while blowing increases it. And water evaporation happens faster on regions with lower pressure.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 7 points 11 hours ago

Blowing air into a confined space doesn't really work well. It's the same reason why pointing a fan into a hot room doesn't cool it down any; the air needs somewhere to flow to, and it can't go out the way it came in because there's a fan pushing it back. So the air in the room might move around a bit, but it isn't circulating hardly any of the air from the rest of your house, which is why that room stays warm even though you "feel" the wind from the fan. But if you open some windows in the house and do the same thing, you now have place for the air to move to, so it doesn't just spin around the same container any longer.

[-] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 6 points 11 hours ago

Sucking pulls the air in from all directions, whereas on the other side of the fan it’s being blown out in a stream.

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Why is sucking better than blowing?

Ummm... not a girl, but I suspect it's easier to suck things out of it than blow into it...

[-] jayk@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 hours ago

lucky for you, you don't need to be a girl to find out

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Actually, I would like to know what being a woman would be like. I suspect the opposite sex would also like to know what it would be like to be a man.

It's just human curiosity I guess.

[-] odium@programming.dev 8 points 11 hours ago
[-] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

Hmmmmmmmm give us an update on that in a couple years

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I would guess that it's moving moisture away from the vicinity. Blowing it far away instead of inwards to the kitchen. Then normal evaporation can happen better.

But I think you really don't need to bother, why not just let them dry?

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Maybe it is something similar or related to: https://youtu.be/XP6oqIic4lo (apologies for youtube link)

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

While blowing, some of the fan's energy is spent on increasing the pressure inside your dishwasher, which increases the density of the air the fan blades move through, increasing drag on the fan blades causing them to move slower and create less airflow.

While blowing, you're also pushing moist air to the back of the dishwasher, and after that air reaches 100% relative humidity, it can't hold any more water and will not help dry your plates. Some of it will eventually escape around the sides, but some of the airflow your fan creates just circulates humid air around the inside of the dishwasher.

Turning your fan around solved both problems. It increased the volume of air flow, and decreased the relative humidity of the air flow.

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