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Why do cell phones have a data limit but home internet doesn't? I understand bandwidth limits, but how can home internet get away with giving users all the data they can use, but cell phone providers can't?

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago

AT&T asks the same question. They provide the bold option to pay more than the competition and get data limits on your home internet.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Caps are fake there's no need for them besides to build golden marble pillars outside CEOs mega mansions.

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

Where are my Rogers home internet customers at? 🇨🇦

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

You might want to ask Ajit Pai.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Fuck a shit pie.

(Also, whatever you do, never Google that phrase.)

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I mean, wasn't gonna.

I'd have to look at Ajit Pai.

[-] spiderman@ani.social 2 points 8 hours ago

They do have unlimited data plans here and it's at same price as your average wifi plan.

[-] PhotatoMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

My cell provider Telia gives me unlimited internet and calls in all nordic countries, pretty sweet deal as I need to use my phone in more than one of them.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It's really mostly a US thing. Regular countries are exempt from their shenanigans.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

My home Internet charges extra when I use more than 1 TB per month. Not sure but I think it's metered both up and down.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

damn, I share almost a TB/day.

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 6 points 12 hours ago

Hopefully only Linux ISOs ^/s^

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago
[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Wow.

How many nintendo roms are there?

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

switch roms range from 6-20GB each. plus SNES, full collection about 5gb.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Ah yes, switch games are not tiny small cartridges.

Gotta finish my "arcade" box-stick-raspberry one day ...

5GB you say? That's so incredibly cool actually.

[-] Kaiyoto@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I remember Comcast suddenly started enforcing a limit of about 1 TB some years ago when I had them. Realized it happened when I renewed my contract to get a lower price again for a promotional period. Apparently I agreed to a new contract or something that included the new limit. >:|

[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

FCC is looking into that, I think it was during Trump's administration

[-] sneaky@r.nf 1 points 7 hours ago

I currently have that cap and wondering how I will be able to play MSFS2024 under these conditions. Absolute trash they get to enforce this.

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[-] Wxfisch@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

In theory at least it’s because you pay for a specific bandwidth for home internet (the size of the pipe) but a specific amount of data for cellular (how much stuff you can get through a fixed sized pipe).

Home internet is a little unique in that way, almost all other utilities are consumption based with no real tiers in terms of how it’s delivered (you pay for the volume of water or gas you use, electricity is the same, just different units).

Networking equipment gets more expensive based on the bandwidth it supports, but it doesn’t much care how many bits you push through it. So ISPs charge based on their capacity to deliver those bits, and provide tiers at different price points. Cellular though is much more bandwidth constrained due to the technologies (and it used to be much more so before LTE and 5G), so it didn’t makes sense to charge you for slow or slower tiers. Instead the limiting factor is the capacity of a tower so by limiting data to small amounts it naturally discourages use. That model carried forward even now that the technologies support broadband speeds in some cases. As such and ISP could provide the biggest pipe (highest speed) to all homes and just charge based on consumption (they used to in the days of dial up, and satellite before starlink always has). Many ISPs instead are now double dipping though and charging for both.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 1 day ago

In the past it was due to technical constraints.

Now it's just greed.

[-] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 38 points 1 day ago

Not all home internet is unlimited. In many US rural areas, home internet connections have a monthly cap just like mobile networks do. A higher cap costs more, if it's available at all.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

And not all cell service is limited. I switched from cable to 5G fixed wireless, because I was tired of having a data cap. It's faster and cheaper too.

[-] sawdustprophet@midwest.social 8 points 1 day ago

In many US rural areas, home internet connections have a monthly cap

And suburban, and urban. I've never lived anywhere that didn't have a cap.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 103 points 1 day ago

cell phone providers can, they just won’t (would eat into their profits)

and most of the home internet sold as “unlimited” was a scam – if you started to get too close to some hidden value, they would start throttling your connection

'Member when Comcast was caught illegally using Sandvine in around 2006/2007 to illegally throttle or block BitTorrent traffic?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

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[-] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For cell / mobile phones, you're sharing the capacity of the cell among multiple people.

In this example, a rural cell tower can provide up to 395Mbps.

It would only take 40 people watching Kayo at high definition (or any high definition video service) via their phone or a 4G router to saturate this tower.

For everyone else at this time, it'll still work but even though they might have a strong radio signal (lots of bars), the internet will become slow.

Limiting monthly usage, or charging more for more data per month, reduces the risk of saturation.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

There aren't going to be 40 people using that tower if it's truly a rural tower. If it isn't a rural tower then they can update it to handle more throughput. The issue isn't the towers, it's the companies wanting to keep using old tech to squeeze out as much profit as possible.

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[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Umm, my home internet has a 50GB per month limit. Can't complain much though, it's cheap at literally $1 a day, and I'm not a gamer or online streamer.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Good thing, because some games would take up all of that just to download and install.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Found the American. In France that would be a huge ripoff compared to what the other providers have to offer. Like, literally any VDSL offer is around 30€/month (or under) and no caps

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 9 points 23 hours ago

For ~$30 a month, that's a complete and utter rip-off.

Even here in Neuland Germany you get at least decent internet with no caps for that price.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

50GB a month though?? You don't use any video streaming services at all? What do you use for media?

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[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

Wow I go through 50GB in less than a day. Sometimes an hour.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's more than $1.50 per Gigabyte.
When you download a game from Steam, most games you literally pay more for the data than for the game.
Even when you pirate, you pay like $15 for a BluRay quality movie

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[-] golli@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago

How is 1€/day cheap for such limited home Internet? I guess it might depend on where you are, but unless you are in the middle of nowhere that seems expensive.

Here in Germany for example, which really isn't known for its cheap internet, I can find options that offer 100Mbit Flatrates for 20€/month.

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Home Internet usually doesn't have unlimited internet. There's usually caps baked in somewhere. Don't believe me? Read the fine print. At some point, at some bandwidth usage in the monthly cycle, they will throttle the living crap out of your connection. It's written into pretty much every contract I've ever signed, and I've been with over a dozen carriers of landline internet over the years.

The reason being that they don't want you serving websites or business class functionality with residential level internet. They didn't build their network with those constraints. They want you paying for and using the business internet package, which has dedicated bandwidth and no caps because you're paying for a dedicated line to be run.

For mobile phones? Old pricing models still trying to be relevant. There's no technical reason.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I've read the contract of my internet provider. No limit

Then again, I don't live in the US

[-] TastyWheat@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Same, no limit. Not American.

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