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[-] Corno@lemm.ee 255 points 4 days ago

30°C is 303 Kelvin. Half of that is 151 Kelvin, which translates into a fairly mild -122°C!

Takes out hockey stick

[-] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 45 points 4 days ago

New strategy to prevent global warming: just freeze all of the CO2 out of the air!

[-] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago

Dry snow doesn't sound like too bad of a proposition on its own.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas

[-] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

That's one of the ways proposed for terraforming Venus. Put in a sun shield to freeze the planet, let the CO2 snow down, then process the CO2 into something that can sequester it away so it doesn't just go back into the atmosphere after removing the sun shield.

Of course none of that is technically possible right now, but it's a lot easier on a planet that has no (known) life to destroy while working through the process.

the sequestering step is actually kinda easy, it's the sun shield that's the hard part

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[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

Aka a cool 272 Rankine for our US folks.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I would be willing to bet there are more people in the US using Kelvin in their jobs than Rankine.

Lb-mole? That one I'm not sure.

To me, these wanna-be scientific units are weird, like, just use metric at that point 😅

Also 1000th of an inch. Like, come on! You're just teasing us

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

Wait, does it? Are joules in thermal energy per kelvin a purely linear relationship?

[-] Verat@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For the most part, it varies by material and state of matter, but assuming the chemical composition doesnt change and no material changes phase, then it is pretty close to linear in most materials.

[-] PmMeFrogMemes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

hmm but there will surely be a lot of phase changes with a drop in energy so substantial. we need our top scientists on this asap

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fun fact: gas pressure changes linearly with temperature. If you make one of these plots at mild conditions you can extrapolate the line down to zero pressure and measure where absolute zero temperature is

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Careful, half of what, kelvin?

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

That is indeed the joke.

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago

Absolute-ly

[-] Zerthax@reddthat.com 53 points 4 days ago

Reminds me of a time one of my friends was happy that it was going to warm up and said something like "it's going to be twice as warm tomorrow". It was going from maybe 20F to 40F or something.

That led to an interesting discussion.

[-] RustyNova@lemmy.world 67 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Granted. Celsius now range from 0 to 50

Edit: ... or whatever unit you prefer. It's still the same

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago

Oh, it's way better than the alternative interpretation.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 48 points 4 days ago

This knowledge comes in handy with marketing BS around CPU coolers. If an aftermarket cooler gets a CPU to 35C when the stock cooler is at 70C, marketing will sometimes claim it cut temperatures in half.

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I mean.... that's literally half though

edit: I am not a science man and I am in over my head in this argument

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

But it's not.

Celsius and Faernheit are interval scales, not rational scales. The absolute change from one number to the next is consistent, but since you can go into the negatives, 1 is not double 2.

Kelvin and Rankine are rational because they use an absolute zero.

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

to make the argument even simpler, that phrase wouldn't even mean the same thing to an english person as it would to an american.

In fahrenheit those temps would convert to 95f and 158f.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 11 points 4 days ago

If you convert those temperatures to Kelvin, they become 308K and 343K. Since Kelvin is absolute and we're measuring the same material, this tells you how much more thermal energy is there and their actual proportion to each other.

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[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 8 points 4 days ago

308.15K is not half of 343.15K

[-] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Do you also say "the temperature in the freezer has doubled" when it goes from -12°C to -24°C? Not saying that would be disingenuous with your arguments.

[-] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago

Usually that should mean it cuts the difference ambiant and CPU in half. Anything else would just be stupid or a lie.

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[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

Obviously we'd all die but I wonder how exactly. This would make a good question for Randall Munroe.

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

90 F to Kelvin, halved and converted back, is approximately -190.

It's difficult to find data on what exposure to that temperature would do, the threshold for an extreme cold warning (meaning absolutely do not go outside without heavy protection unless you want necrotic frostbite) is about 150 F warmer than that.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

It depends on conductive and convective transfer at that point. The atmosphere would be vastly different as that's well below the point where CO2 would snow out but you should still have enough gasses to flash freeze you.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago

I use this as an example for interval vs ratio; you can't halve Celsius because it's an interval scale where zero is arbitrary. Kelvin is ratio as it has an absolute zero-- you very much can halve it and doom near the entire planet next summer

[-] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Doom near the entire planet

Next Summer

Coming to theaters near you

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Probably want it between the winter temperature and the current summer temperature, but genies are traditionally fickle and pounce on any ambiguity

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

A good genie would instantly invent a metric of "number of degrees in excess of room temperature"

[-] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 28 points 4 days ago

I think it's fairly well known that there are no good genies. But otherwise, true.

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[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Is the temperature scale directly proportional to the heat energy? I think the amount of energy needed to raise water by 1 degree is the same no matter the starting temperature for example. Is 100°K double the heat energy of 50°K?

[-] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 days ago

Kelvin doesn’t have degrees btw you just say 50K or 100K because it’s an absolute temperature scale as opposed to an arbitrary or relative one like Fahrenheit or Celsius. I’d expect that the energy would be double though that’s more of a feeling.

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