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[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

No matter what you call yourself even within the left, someone will jump down your throat about it. And labels keep shifting so it's a no win. You call yourself liberal and people are like "you're a liberal?! You're literally worse than Satan!" I thought being liberal as opposed to conservative was a good thing but ok. Nobody is good enough anymore, it's just every subgenre of leftists arguing about who is worse

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You can't annoy someone into becoming differently-hearted about abortion, the death penalty, religion in the public arena, taxes and their governmental expenditures, or any sort of organized culturally elite stylized policies. Even though we domesticate animals some humans have had repeatedly bad experiences with the cultural domestication process.

And politics relies upon these eternal differences.

They will hate leftist policy because it means that bullying becomes harder to do. Controlling resources is now out of their hands in a very direct way, and usually people that need to dominate resources to feel safe will not abide by others having access to resources that they can't control the tap to.

And so that gets transformed one way or another. If they are big and have no problem doing crime they roll that.

If they are big and they start with a problem with crime then they roll blue. That system creates a whole 'nather version of criminality and there is no cure for it there, either.

Then you have the leftist which is usually someone that has been bullied enough to recognize oppression yet has not the power nor the force to make change.

And yet when they do ...

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

What the people who say that actually mean is, "I was on your sports team until you told me what your sports team stood for."

It's an "I voted Democrat because muh daddy voted Democrat and his daddy voted Democrat" situation. They were always Republicans, they just were too ignorant to pay attention and realize it.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I used to think I was leftist, because I believe in things like "healthcare" and "equal rights".

Then the leftists started screeching "bUt tHe gEnOcIdE!"

I guess I'm not a leftist.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

I mean, the ongoing Palestinian genocide is important, vile, and our support of its perpetrators a stain on our national soul.

It's just not an excuse to let fascists start an additional genocide here in the US. Without even stopping the ongoing Palestinian genocide.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

I think people think voting is endorsement rather than strategic. Obviously any sane leftist would not vote for the guy that thinks "palestinian" means "terrorist" and wants to put legal immigrants in camps.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Unfortunately, the insane are very loud, and to the marginally engaged, loud insanity can sound like informed and passionate sanity.

People in this country are taught voting is a moral duty, but not taught why it's a moral duty. So the lunatic position of "Don't vote for anyone you disagree with!" dovetails nicely into our broken fucking civic culture. In reality, voting is, as you said, strategic - it's a moral duty insofar as we are morally obligated, as citizens, to examine the power we have, to exercise it in the most effective way we can, in service to the moral aims we have.

Too many people in this country view voting spiritually. We aren't Christian martyrs preparing to be fed to the lions in the Colosseum. We're closer to congresscritters when we vote, than canonized saints. Take a look at your choices. Decide which one is closer to your goals. Vote accordingly. And be prepared to answer for it.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago
[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 hours ago

do you? talk to any leftist many most of us will tell you in a swing state to vote harris if you're worried, and down ballot if your unwilling to stomach having a backbone. lie cheat and scream at your reps about gaza in the mean time etc.

so what exactly have you done to help prevent the genocide being perpetrated by harris and biden? you know besides cry about people holding harris to task. Do you know why shes courting republicans because she knows we're pissed. shes trying to do an end run around to continue doing what she wants. and thats her decision. because she knows you will meekly accept it.

[-] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

She's courting Republicans because they vote much more consistently than Democrats. She's courting Republicans because the Overton Window is so fucked that they're actually a good chunk of her base now. She's courting Republicans because they have literally the worst possible candidate imaginable and it's safe to assume the reasonable ones are looking for any excuse to bail. I don't think she's thinking about you at all.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I understand that you're arguing in bad faith, because screaming about genocide now is not helping. This kind of language only encourages people to vote third party or not vote at all. Also, democrats are the only ones ever "held to task", and most often in ways that don't actually align with reality. Also also, your insults are petty and insulting, so I guess you win because now I'm angry and my day is ruined.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

lol now is the best time. but I've been writing to my congress critters the entire year. I only started posting here because libs are bitching about muslims not supporting harris in swing states. get off your fucking high horse.

This kind of language only encourages people to vote third party or not vote at all.

+1 good for them, they have morals, which apparently you lack. you see I voted third party I'm one of them. I emailed my reps all september and harris' campaign informing them what was required for me to commit to their ticket. they didn't do it. thats a them problem.

If you look at my post history you'll clearly see I've been encouraging people to vote down ballot if they absolutely cant vote for harris over this. I've also recommended that if they live in swing states they're likely better off supporting harris. the only people arguing in bad faith are people like you who enable a genocide and think themselves superior to those of us doing our fucking damnedest all year to stop it.

its good to know where you stand, and its good to know I was right in denying my vote to harris.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 4 hours ago

I understand that you’re arguing in bad faith, because screaming about genocide now is not helping.

It's always conveniently "now".

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

Ehhh, the left is a big board idea. I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's a favorite trick of the fascist to pretend to be on the left.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 23 hours ago

Agreed, I personally voted for Kamala Harris (early voting) however I cannot pretend that she is a good candidate.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I remember telling people to stop with the nice uncle Joe memes when he was vp. The dude is a huge proponent of the racist, murderous drug war. He's pushed legislations on that front that have caused mass incarnations and deaths, all because Joe is scared of drugs. His war also paved the way for police mineralization, civil asset forfeiture, and this view police have that they're an occupying army and we're all potential dangers.

He is not a good example of a left politician. But when I would say this, I would be downvoted, cause you're not allowed to criticize your own side I guess.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

Agreed, I personally voted for Kamala Harris (early voting)

It's a shit situation to have the candidates we do, but unironically, thank you for making the choice that makes it less likely that millions will suffer needlessly. I'll be limping my ass down on election day to cast that same vote.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 23 hours ago

If Kamala wins I hope Liberals can use the next four years to actually do something (unlike Biden), hopefully ranked choice voting will be in and the electoral college will be out

[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

From left to right - Student loans forgiven ($175 Billion)

Student loans that would have been forgiven without R fuckery ($430 Billion)

Total federal student loan debt ($1.6 Trillion)

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Wouldn't hold my breath on the electoral college. The process for a constitutional amendment is unlikely. Ranked choice and the NPVIC are both doable, in more states, at least, if not all, I think, if we put our efforts forward, especially with the momentum gained on the former and the VP speaking out against the electoral college on the latter.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

The process for a constitutional amendment is unlikely.

Agreed. The Equal Rights Amendment was super popular with both Democrats and Republicans and they still couldn't get enough states to ratify it.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

RIGHT? Like I'm voting blue no matter who at least until the GOP fixes its fascism problem (if it ever does), but at the same time shut the fuck up I don't care about your 37 gender identities or pescatarian diet or whatever

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The only people who rant about that stuff is the right wing

I'm straight but have lots of lgbtiq friends, and conversations like that never come up.

It's oddly enough the right wing who bring that conversation up constantly and exaggerate it

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I've met those walking stereotypes a handful of times but yeah, WAY less common than Tucker Carlson or whoever would have you believe

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

You would think so, but there's a certain user here who expects us all to play along with their stated gender. Their stated gender is the name of a mythical animal.

Somehow no one has played along.

Other than that specific person though, I have yet to meet a queer person who had an issue with being called 'they/them' even if their preferred pronouns are 'zir' or whatever. My wife works with multiple nonbinary people (librarians are an eclectic bunch). None of them expect you to call them by their preferred pronoun. They just don't want you to intentionally misgender them either.

[-] MBM@lemmings.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Never really saw it become a big deal, aren't they just talking in third person?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Nope. They got pissed off that I called them not just "them," but "you."

And I explained to them that both of those pronouns are gender-neutral and that they apply to everyone and I would be willing to use them on anyone. Now they're following me around and harassing me for doing things like using 'he' when referring to Caillou. As in the cartoon toddler.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

And then they blow up the conversation like you're crazy.

"... I don't care what they do"

"But whatabout blah blah blah"

"Yeah, whatever. Why is this even an issue to you? How many Trans people are in your life. Your life. Personally."

"That's not the point!"

"I think it is."

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

For the anti-gay party they sure seem to spend a lot of their time thinking about dicks

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I actually operate an indoor rock climbing group and didn't even realise how many of them were gay until years of climbing with them. 2 of them I'm still not sure. 1 of them I only figured it out because they had a climbing shirt on with a lgbtiq climbing community logo on it (and they actually operate that organisation)

The hilarious part of the whole thing is that they spent years trying to trigger libs. But ultimately online, they've managed to create their own self sustaining trigger circle that mainly affects them. That they use to accumulate their whining. Whereas the rest of us now just see them as crazies.

That doesn't mean there are people on the left who aren't crazy. But, that seems confined online. Whereas the right often seem to extend it offline because many seemingly don't know the difference between reality and conspiracy theories anymore

One thing you'll notice about the right wing is that so many of them have a huge number of comments. Probably because most of them I suspect are retirees who jerked around during high school. It's easy to comment when there is no attempt at supporting evidence

[-] laserm@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Oh other people decided to not live their life pedantically according to your opinions. The tragedy!

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

You seem to have missed the "shut the fuck up" part

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