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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

When I was six years old, my dad brought a computer home from work. It had Windows 3.1 on it. I had to learn how to use the DOS command prompt in order to play my favorite game, Q-bert. When I was a teenager, a new computer of middling quality could run north of $3000 from the Best Buy. But my friends introduced me to a catalog where I could buy the parts to assemble one from scratch. They let me borrow their copy of Windows 95 to install. Then we all had to learn how to use dial-up in order to connect to the internet, or how to build out a LAN network to play games together in person. We took classes in touch-typing at school, using the computer lab. I went to computer camp during the summer. I went to college and took more advanced classes on programing.

I have spent tens of thousands of hours learning to use the computer, practically from the inception of the PC to the modern day.

Now my friends have kids, and I talk about how they use the computer. Everything is out-of-the-box. Installing something is as simply as clicking an icon. You can buy a mini-computer off the shelf for under $200 and it runs better than anything I could have built thirty years ago. Periodically, they will come to me with a more advanced computer program, which has to do with a very particular OS configuration or some weird networking bug that only someone with 10+ years of experience would think to look for. I typically find the answer online, because I don't remember it off the top of my head. I teach the kid and the kid learns, and then the kid knows as much as I do on that particular subject.

In twenty years, I'm sure they'll know more than me, just because I'll be retired and they'll be in the thick of it.

Also, please nobody ask me how a car works. That was something my parents' generation learned. I'm clueless.

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Local Area Network Network.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I'm going to interpret that last "network" as that extra f-ing 50 ohm bnc terminator that you're pretty sure you don't need, until you're about to learn something about coax impedence matching.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 96 points 6 hours ago

Yes. We are.

We are young with to have learned tech at an early age, but old enough that the tech wasn't user friendly when we were kids, so we needed to understand it better than people do in the smartphone generation.

Installing a new game on my PC in high school was a multi-hour, sometimes multi-day ordeal.

Plugging in a secondary hard drive involved putting jumpers on pins to keep the system from trying to boot off it.

Assigning ports on peripherals involved understanding how to count in binary so you could assign addresses on dip switches.

Installing a printer involved unholy alliances with formless beings.

Every 2-3 years, I still wake up wearing black robes in a strange room in Romania, blood on my hands and a lingering scent of cordite in the air. I'm fairly certain that's related to the Canon BJC driver issues I had upgrading my AST to Windows 95.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 1 points 34 minutes ago

I had a boot floppy I needed to use when I wanted to play Sim City 2000 because my PCs usual configuration didn't have enough free conventional memory.

I had another one for Zone66 because its memory management was incompatible with EMM386.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

Random BSOD from changing... absolutely fucking nothing, then spending 2 days trying to recover, before saying fuck it and reinstalling windows, so you can play WC1 or D1....good old days.

Also printers can suck it. 20 years ago maintaining a fucking print server was bullshit.... I'd rather deal with BES for another 100 years.

[-] Hoomod@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Installing a printer is still often a deal with the devil

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The hardest thing I remember having to do to install games was if they were DOS games and you have to manually assign all the hardware ports or whatever (I remember one for "IRQ?") for the game every time you ran it and if you fucked it up, it wouldn't have a picture or wouldn't have sound or they would be fucked up.

Not quite old enough to have actually had to type in the program after buying the game on a book. That would have been rad!

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 5 points 6 hours ago

More likely from soundcard settings than printer settings. If you're channelling, its due to wrong number of channels selected.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 42 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It’s funny because we always thought that the next generation’s technical knowledge would utterly eclipse ours, but instead they only know how to edit a short video to seem to loop infinitely.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Well in regards to editing short videos that loop, they have definitely eclipsed my skill (and willingness to learn)

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 5 hours ago

I literally just watched a video of a dude telling a story about how when he was 13 in 2012, his Xbox 360 controller stopped working and he thought the whole console broke when he just had to replace the controller batteries. 🤣

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 103 points 10 hours ago

iOS is literally designed for toddlers to be able to use it. "iPad kids" aren't especially gifted, "iPad adults" are especially stupid.

But on the bright side, those same groups think they "know computers" because they can press large, brightly colored buttons - so they walk around with unearned confidence in their abilities and impatience/lack of appreciation for the people that actually have to fix things.

It's also why a large swatch of these same fucking idiot, drains on humanity loudly challenge the validity of voting tech infrastructure without any factual basis to their argument - they just "feel" like they get it.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 63 points 10 hours ago

My boss very confidently proclaimed that all serious IT professionals use a Mac. Said Linux "is for programmers and nerds"

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 3 points 1 hour ago

He's not wrong. There is a lot more money in selling hype and style, than functionality and substance. Pro's need pay.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

all serious IT professionals

programmers and nerds

TIL, not the same group.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 16 points 5 hours ago

As an IT professional, Macs are used by people that couldn't figure out Windows. Linux is for people that understand enough about Windows to live in constant fear of the next newsworthy workday.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 25 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Linux is for programmers and nerds

...and your ideal system administrator is neither of those?

[-] nzeayn@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

people like your boss are awesome. managing their macs pays so stupid well, it feeds my linux home sever upgrade habit.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 41 points 9 hours ago

So, programmers != IT professionals, huh...

[-] sploosh@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

IT proffesionals are more the folks that install and maintain large scale computer systems and network, like a company's IT department or MSP. Programming is closer to engineering. Software engineering.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"IT professional" does typically lean more towards that yes, but it also encompasses software developers.

[-] StuffYouFear@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago

I'm in IT, from my experience, most people who use Macs either use it for media, because it is easy to use for the common man, or it is the most expensive option.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

I've been in IT for over 20 years the most of the people who use Macs do so because there's supported business software written for it while still being Unix under the hood.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 hours ago

Also most people who use Macs need help from their Linux using coworkers to get anything moderately difficult done on their systems.

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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 132 points 11 hours ago

Kids don't even understand file structures because modern OSs obfuscate that stuff.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Kids aren't well organized and file structures take time and practice to understand. No idea why anyone would assume a 10 year old who has been using a computer for maybe two or three years would be as experienced as a 30 year old who'd been doing the work for over 20.

Also, no shortage of Millennials who don't know how computers work. I deal with them every day.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 78 points 10 hours ago

That's my biggest gripe to be honest with modern OSs. My files in my folders are organized like I organize my house. I live in and around that. I hate the idea of a "Downloads" and other stuff with "automatically in the cloud backup for this app". Give me a file to save you stupid app.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Android has taken away a lot of the manual usage shit when it comes to doing what you want of it on behalf of security protections. Well fuck you, if I want a program to have certain access to things I should be allowed to do it, whether you like it or not. My N20U still can't have a full and proper root.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 5 points 5 hours ago

I don't mind that they simplify it. It makes it easier for more users. Its the fact that even advanced users can't access it. Not a problem with a perfect app on a perfect operating system with perfect interoperability. None of those exist.

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[-] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 53 points 11 hours ago

I fix my parents’ computers. I fix the computers of the super old people in the neighborhood. I fix my kid’s computer. I fix my friends’ computers.

I don’t think it’s generational.

When your car breaks down, do you fix it? At what point do you take it to a mechanic?

At what point do you call an electrician or plumber? Who biopsies their own cysts?

It’s all the same shit. We live in a society of specialists because there’s simply too much potential knowledge for everyone to be able to do everything.

And if we start arguing about what things people “ought to be able to do themselves”, we turn into a bunch of old farts lamenting about the good old days.

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 283 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

We are the bridge generation.

We know and saw a world without the internet and we experienced it when it first came to be.

We saw the first mass produced computers and computer devices which broke often, didn't work the way we wanted them to, they weren't fast and they didn't have much memory in any way. We were the first generation to see all this. Our parents were too old and busy to figure it out but we were young enough to be curious about it all. We also kept wanting to have the newest fastest hardware and software so we had no choice but to either buy, beg or steal these things to get them. We learned to swap parts, add parts, remove parts, install an OS, uninstall the OS, run backups, store data and learn it all on our own because there was no easy internet social media community to help you. Software was constantly changing and we had to keep up by either buying expensive titles or we learned about Linux and open source software or we became digital pirates or both.

Now the digital landscape has changed. Younger generations prefer handheld devices so to them everything is solid state ... they never can imagine changing the RAM, HDD, SSD, CPU, GPU or the PSU or even bothering to learn what those things are. Because everything is built in and no one (or very few) people bother with fixing or tinkering with anything. There are fewer people who learn about software and about how or where to find it, install it, configure it and run it. To new generations who only know the digital world through locked devices, there was less incentive to learn or even have access to know how these things worked.

We are the bridge generation. We got to see the world without the internet and the world with one. No one before us got to see what we saw, no one after us will experience what we went through. Our civilization dramatically changed during our lifetime and we got a front row seat.

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