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[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

It's worse than that: we're a small subset of the only generations that know how computers work. The vast majority of my peers would balk at using a command line, much less anything deeper.

I say generations because it's obviously not limited to one, but, it sure as fuck isn't many.

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

As a millenial nurse watching gen z new grads hunt and peck with their index fingers to write a shift note, 100%. I don't think my parents really appreciated how much constantly being on AIM with my friends as a tween actually really benefited my typing skills in a way that's been much more valuable to my career than algebra.

All the math you need to be a nurse is ratio / proportion and kitchen measurements to track I/O. With a modern EMR system (electronic medical record) that does most of the math for you you don't even need that. The rest is latin and greek root words for various body parts and fluids and a vague understanding of how they're all related (hyper-tension in the cerebral is bad because the cerebral is surrounded by a bone case and bones no stretch. That means the cerebral pops out of the bone holes and once it's done that it does NOT go back in correctly like a squeezy ball toy). That gets you through the board exams.

After a year or two in practice you've just seen the same shit with a millimeter of difference over and over and over that you either know what to do about it or who to call to do something about it. And when shit is about to go REALLY wrong that's also happened enough times that you get a weird feeling and just start calling everybody because your psych patient has been trying to kill you for the past week and an hour ago they suddenly stopped trying to kill you and now you have to explain to an RRT nurse (rental ICU nurse) why you're upset that the patient isn't trying to kill you.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 36 points 7 hours ago

When I was six years old, my dad brought a computer home from work. It had Windows 3.1 on it. I had to learn how to use the DOS command prompt in order to play my favorite game, Q-bert. When I was a teenager, a new computer of middling quality could run north of $3000 from the Best Buy. But my friends introduced me to a catalog where I could buy the parts to assemble one from scratch. They let me borrow their copy of Windows 95 to install. Then we all had to learn how to use dial-up in order to connect to the internet, or how to build out a LAN network to play games together in person. We took classes in touch-typing at school, using the computer lab. I went to computer camp during the summer. I went to college and took more advanced classes on programing.

I have spent tens of thousands of hours learning to use the computer, practically from the inception of the PC to the modern day.

Now my friends have kids, and I talk about how they use the computer. Everything is out-of-the-box. Installing something is as simply as clicking an icon. You can buy a mini-computer off the shelf for under $200 and it runs better than anything I could have built thirty years ago. Periodically, they will come to me with a more advanced computer program, which has to do with a very particular OS configuration or some weird networking bug that only someone with 10+ years of experience would think to look for. I typically find the answer online, because I don't remember it off the top of my head. I teach the kid and the kid learns, and then the kid knows as much as I do on that particular subject.

In twenty years, I'm sure they'll know more than me, just because I'll be retired and they'll be in the thick of it.

Also, please nobody ask me how a car works. That was something my parents' generation learned. I'm clueless.

[-] cralder@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Since you mentioned cars, here is a theory my coworker told me that I think makes a lot of sense.

Our parents were the last generation to learn about cars because back then you needed to know how a car worked in order to own one. Cars are too simple now and you couldn't fix one even if you wanted to since they are so locked-down.

We are the last generation to learn how computers work since we needed to know how a computer worked in order to use it. Now computers are too simple to use and you couldn't fix one even if you wanted to since they are so locked-down.

Obviously not saying nobody today knows how cars or computers work, but it is a lot less common. Anybody who learns about cars or computers today do it because of personal interest, not because of necessity.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Cars are too simple now and you couldn’t fix one even if you wanted to since they are so locked-down.

Yes, same thing between computing hardware (I'm not gonna say computers, because for a lot of people nowadays, their only device is their smartphone) and cars. It used to be that things were more complicated to use, but easier to repair, so a large percentage of users could also repair their things.

Nowadays, you don't even need to know how to check your oil level because the car will tell you if it's low. You might not even have a dipstick. And with service intervals being 25000km and more, how much are you REALLY saving by doing your own oil change and stuff? I still do it, but

Similarly - as a kid, I had to fix small issues that popped up with Windows XP ALL the time. Couldn't connect to any website? Flush the DNS cache. No connectivity at all? ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew. Mouse stopped working AGAIN? Use the keyboard to navigate to devices, reinstall mouse driver.

If I was growing up right now, I'd have no idea how things work, because they JUST DO. So you don't learn a lot anymore. As for cars, I still learned because I grew up poor, so my first car was around 500 euros and I did everything myself.

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

Local Area Network Network.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 7 points 5 hours ago

I'm going to interpret that last "network" as that extra f-ing 50 ohm bnc terminator that you're pretty sure you don't need, until you're about to learn something about coax impedence matching.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 113 points 10 hours ago

Yes. We are.

We are young with to have learned tech at an early age, but old enough that the tech wasn't user friendly when we were kids, so we needed to understand it better than people do in the smartphone generation.

Installing a new game on my PC in high school was a multi-hour, sometimes multi-day ordeal.

Plugging in a secondary hard drive involved putting jumpers on pins to keep the system from trying to boot off it.

Assigning ports on peripherals involved understanding how to count in binary so you could assign addresses on dip switches.

Installing a printer involved unholy alliances with formless beings.

Every 2-3 years, I still wake up wearing black robes in a strange room in Romania, blood on my hands and a lingering scent of cordite in the air. I'm fairly certain that's related to the Canon BJC driver issues I had upgrading my AST to Windows 95.

[-] genuineparts@infosec.pub 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I’m fairly certain that’s related to the Canon BJC driver issues I had upgrading my AST to Windows 95.

I had the biggest flashback right now. I had a Canon BJC 4000 that would only print all the pages if you had two or more empty pages at the end of the document. Never figured that one out, but every so often I open an old Word Doc and find extra empty pages and remember....

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago

I had a boot floppy I needed to use when I wanted to play Sim City 2000 because my PCs usual configuration didn't have enough free conventional memory.

I had another one for Zone66 because its memory management was incompatible with EMM386.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago

Random BSOD from changing... absolutely fucking nothing, then spending 2 days trying to recover, before saying fuck it and reinstalling windows, so you can play WC1 or D1....good old days.

Also printers can suck it. 20 years ago maintaining a fucking print server was bullshit.... I'd rather deal with BES for another 100 years.

[-] Hoomod@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Installing a printer is still often a deal with the devil

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The hardest thing I remember having to do to install games was if they were DOS games and you have to manually assign all the hardware ports or whatever (I remember one for "IRQ?") for the game every time you ran it and if you fucked it up, it wouldn't have a picture or wouldn't have sound or they would be fucked up.

Not quite old enough to have actually had to type in the program after buying the game on a book. That would have been rad!

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 55 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It’s funny because we always thought that the next generation’s technical knowledge would utterly eclipse ours, but instead they only know how to edit a short video to seem to loop infinitely.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

Well in regards to editing short videos that loop, they have definitely eclipsed my skill (and willingness to learn)

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 9 hours ago

I literally just watched a video of a dude telling a story about how when he was 13 in 2012, his Xbox 360 controller stopped working and he thought the whole console broke when he just had to replace the controller batteries. 🤣

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 115 points 14 hours ago

iOS is literally designed for toddlers to be able to use it. "iPad kids" aren't especially gifted, "iPad adults" are especially stupid.

But on the bright side, those same groups think they "know computers" because they can press large, brightly colored buttons - so they walk around with unearned confidence in their abilities and impatience/lack of appreciation for the people that actually have to fix things.

It's also why a large swatch of these same fucking idiot, drains on humanity loudly challenge the validity of voting tech infrastructure without any factual basis to their argument - they just "feel" like they get it.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

Dunning-Kruger

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 72 points 14 hours ago

My boss very confidently proclaimed that all serious IT professionals use a Mac. Said Linux "is for programmers and nerds"

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

all serious IT professionals

programmers and nerds

TIL, not the same group.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 3 hours ago

If you laugh, even once, they throw you out of the serious IT group.

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Which group do programmer socks put me in?

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 3 points 5 hours ago

He's not wrong. There is a lot more money in selling hype and style, than functionality and substance. Pro's need pay.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 20 points 9 hours ago

As an IT professional, Macs are used by people that couldn't figure out Windows. Linux is for people that understand enough about Windows to live in constant fear of the next newsworthy workday.

Macs are for people who want a high performance laptop with great battery life and build quality. Hardware and driver issues are extremely rare. An out of the box Unix environment and great desktop applications for everything round it out. Macs are for people who want a to get actual work done and not lose time babysitting or tinkering with their computer.

Windows usability has become worse since 7 and it’s now filled with crap and ads. The different settings applications are an embarrassment and insult to users.

couldn’t figure out windows

Decided their time is too valuable to spend it on dealing with Windows‘ bullshit.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Ha! I totally agree! But I also can't resist defending Mac a little bit.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I grew up on Commodore, then DOS + Windows, then Windows (when it became all-in-one and not just a GUI shell over DOS). I got into Linux desktops and servers in college and will only ever do a server on Linux, of course. Throughout all of this, both software consumption and development have been constants for me.

Right now, I greatly prefer MacBooks for productivity, and I have been keeping a Windows PC going for flight simming, though I'm tempted to switch that to Linux ever since MS declared it too old to run Windows even though it's still perfectly capable of doing everything I care about--MS just insists on "trusted platform" hardware now.

Anyways, the point I'm going for is that Mac is also for nerds, especially ones who understand Windows and Linux and just enjoy a nice workstation that combines the best of both worlds. Windows is trying to catch up with WSL, but it's still a bolt-on, whereas Mac is BSD under the hood. I've been hearing about nice Linux laptop options and hope it will get to an equally nice experience, but, for now, Mac, for me, is like a new car. Sure, I used to do my own maintenance and some repairs on my old cars, but now I have a job and can pay for something that usually just works, that allows me plenty of ways to tinker, and that I can pay to have fixed when I don't want to spend my time grinding on something unfulfilling.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 30 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Linux is for programmers and nerds

...and your ideal system administrator is neither of those?

[-] nzeayn@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

people like your boss are awesome. managing their macs pays so stupid well, it feeds my linux home sever upgrade habit.

Looks like a win win situation.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 46 points 13 hours ago

So, programmers != IT professionals, huh...

[-] sploosh@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

IT proffesionals are more the folks that install and maintain large scale computer systems and network, like a company's IT department or MSP. Programming is closer to engineering. Software engineering.

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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 145 points 15 hours ago

Kids don't even understand file structures because modern OSs obfuscate that stuff.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

Kids aren't well organized and file structures take time and practice to understand. No idea why anyone would assume a 10 year old who has been using a computer for maybe two or three years would be as experienced as a 30 year old who'd been doing the work for over 20.

Also, no shortage of Millennials who don't know how computers work. I deal with them every day.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 89 points 14 hours ago

That's my biggest gripe to be honest with modern OSs. My files in my folders are organized like I organize my house. I live in and around that. I hate the idea of a "Downloads" and other stuff with "automatically in the cloud backup for this app". Give me a file to save you stupid app.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Android has taken away a lot of the manual usage shit when it comes to doing what you want of it on behalf of security protections. Well fuck you, if I want a program to have certain access to things I should be allowed to do it, whether you like it or not. My N20U still can't have a full and proper root.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 10 points 9 hours ago

I don't mind that they simplify it. It makes it easier for more users. Its the fact that even advanced users can't access it. Not a problem with a perfect app on a perfect operating system with perfect interoperability. None of those exist.

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