Causing Trump to win then immediately give Netanyahu permission to ethnically cleanse and annex the Gaza strip. An epic self own.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kamala-harris/muslim-faith-leaders-endorse-kamala-harris-rcna174190
Ethnic cleansing and genocide has already been happening.
Then vote for someone other than Harris and get it finishing, am I right?
I just dont know what your original point was. It is already happening and will continue under both admins. Vote for Harris yeah but it ain't gonna change this issue.
Voting for anyone other than Harris guarantees that Netanyahu will go on unchecked.
He already is unchecked. He will remain unchecked. This is the unfortunate, and rather obvious truth. Both parties fund and arm the genocide, and pave international groundwork for it to persist. This has been US foreign policy for decades.
Exactly. So the issue of genocide in Gaza is effectively moot in the 2024 election. Both sides are pro-genocide, so decide your vote on other issues. Trump, of course, is better on exactly none of the issues.
Yep. We should be factual about the differences as there are many and stop focusing with blatant fabrication.
It already is being finished. Killing innocent people is political orthodoxy. Anyone who supports that is someone with whom I cannot agree.
So vote for someone who has no chance of winning allowing a fascist to destroy US democracy and ensure the annihilation of Palestinian people. Awesome principals.
If Trump is bad because he would kill Palestinians, then the 'principle' is that no one is good, because no one is stopping it.
You are trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
I reject your nihilism, it is disgusting. And I maintain that innocent people being killed is not acceptable.
In Rwanda is 1994 the Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days.
If Isreal were unrestrained they would have mounted bulldozer blades on their tanks, IFVs, APCs, and lined them up with their engineering vehicles and armored bulldozers, plowed the infrastructure and people of Gaza into the ocean, and built settlments on the land.
But by all means, you keep using those big words and telling yourself whatever you need to to maintain that sense of moral superiority. I hope to god that Harris wins for the sake of the Palenstinian people.
I hope to god that Harris wins for the sake of the Palenstinian people.
And what if she wins, killing innocent people continues, and you rationalise that as acceptable? After all, your preferred candidate won.
Voting for anyone else will ensure the deaths of many more Palestinians under a christofascist dictatorship in the US that removes all restraints Netanyahu but you will feel good about yourself because of your principled stance. Good for you.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kamala-harris/muslim-faith-leaders-endorse-kamala-harris-rcna174190
but you will feel good about yourself because of your principled stance
I will, thank you! It is a good thing to be against killing.
Voting for anyone else
I'm not voting at all, because I am complying with American law. I hope you appreciate that, unless you like election laws being broken? I don't, because that will almost certainly help Trump win, overall - that's why the project so hard about election law being overrun by scary immigrants and what have you, because they intend to break those same laws to secure a victory.
In Rwanda is 1994 the Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days.
If Isreal were unrestrained they would have mounted bulldozer blades on their tanks, IFVs, APCs, and lined them up with their engineering vehicles and armored bulldozers, plowed the infrastructure and people of Gaza into the ocean, and built settlments on the land.
But by all means, you keep using those big words and telling yourself whatever you need to to maintain that sense of moral superiority. I hope to god that Harris wins for the sake of the Palenstinian people.
It sounds like you're giddy about the ethnic cleansing. Gross.
No, I think it's grotesque. I'm just realistic about the people who are dumb enough to think that they are punishing Harris by electing a fascist who will allow Netanyahu to do whatever he wants. It's fucking stupid.
Netanyahu is already doing whatever he wants. You claim to think it's grotesque yet call people "dumb" and "fucking stupid" for taking a principled stance against the people actively enabling it.
Yes.
Looks like you found smirkin' Matt Miller's account
Someone is going to win the election whether you vote or not. Whether or not you want to influence who wins is up to you.
Something the Intercept has been salivating over since she took over. Before that, they were salivating over the idea that Biden wasn't going to win.
Because they will not be happy until America is an oligarchic theocracy conducting internal genocides.
So they're halfway to happy?
Something like that. At least every time things get worse, they get a collective hard-on.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/uncommitted-voting-kamala-harris
In what follows, I will further explain why many “Uncommitted” voters should consider voting for Harris-Walz, by distinguishing between different kinds of “Uncommitted” voters and the different sorts of moral and political commitments that might lead them to be electorally “uncommitted,” and that also might lead them to commit the singular act of casting a vote for Kamala Harris.
My hope is that this will persuade at least some readers that the defeat of Trumpism is an urgent moral and political imperative that should be important even to many who are understandably outraged by the Biden administration’s deafness to the demands of “Uncommitted” citizens.
In a way, what I am saying is very similar to what leaders of the “Uncommitted” initiative have themselves said, by publicly refusing to “endorse Harris” but declaring that their movement “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, and urging supporters “to vote against him and avoid third-party candidates that can inadvertently boost his changes.” Indeed, Ilhan Omar, one of the strongest pro-Palestinian advocates in the U.S. government, has even endorsed Harris, even as she continues to support “Uncommitted” demands. Those leaders obviously have more credibility than I do, and what they are saying strikes me as wise. In what follows I simply elaborate on some of the reasons why others might consider it wise.
I had a fun person yesterday basically say that all the Palestinians who say to vote for Harris are supporters of Palestinian genocide. They didn't come right out and say it, but that was the gist of what they were saying.
It was some real white savior stuff though.
Quite the privileged perspective, shaming Palestinians for trying to get what is arguably the best outcome for Gaza out of all the likely options. "Voting with your conscience" always seemed like a worse move than "voting with your brain."
It was very much a "the only Palestinians that matter are my Palestinians" perspective and it was quite disturbing.
Trump also supports funding Israel. This election isn't going to decide the outcome of that. Anyone not voting out of protest because of it is a fool. Look at the whole picture...
If I was a genocidal Netanyahu, I would make sure all my little computer jockeys pushed the "don't vote for the person most likely to stop me because she isn't doing enough to stop me" angle.
In addition to a few others.
Then I'd have them make new accounts and try to somehow pretend they thought it made sense and agreed.
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