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SpyingOS (lemmy.ml)
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[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 147 points 1 week ago

Google has no room to talk here with Android.

[-] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 62 points 1 week ago

or chromeos

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Ironically a Linux-derived OS.

It's always good practice to be careful who you trust with your data. Open =/= private. More choices helps, though.

[-] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Android is very far from linux desktop. And it is private, its is google services that are bad, therefore we can have things like calyx and graphene os still be private.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Depends on how one frames it. It's not the Stallman-defined "GNU+Linux" pureblood OS, but it nevertheless is built from a modified version of the Linux kernel.

And like any OS it can be made private and secure with the right components...or it can be cracked open like a data-farming egg without them.

I guess I can just take the low-hanging fruit and invoke Ubuntu as an alternative example, which was once something of a Linux entry point but has become more than fine collecting user data.

[-] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 14 points 1 week ago

Ironically a Linux-derived OS.

Nothing ironic about it. There's nothing mystical about Linux, it's just a kernel. The guy who made it says he doesn't care about anything but code.

Personally, I only care about the code. When I say maybe there are people who worry about walled gardens and cloud providers who take ownership of your data, I am not one of those people. That's not what I actually care about. That's not what I do. What I do is code. What I care about is code.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

"derived" doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 88 points 1 week ago

More like "you guys have users?"

(I use Linux btw)

[-] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

I was going to down vote you to oblivion but then saw you use Linux. You are allowed to diss on it then.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

More like

Microsoft ... I make billions spying
Google .... I make billions spying
Apple .... I make billions spying

Linux .... you guys make money spying?

[-] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Linux .... you guys make money ~~spying~~?

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

apple doesnt make billions spying. facebook and amazon do of course too.

[-] hangonasecond@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Apple made 4 billion in 2023 from selling advertisements on their devices. Sure, it's only ~1% of Google's ad business buts still technically billions

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

That’s not the same as spying. Apple famously doesn’t hand over user data to ad companies.

[-] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

They are themselves an ad company though.

[-] Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

Yes, they do. They're just better at pretending they don't.

[-] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Facebook doesn't need to spy, the users give it up willingly.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

They also spy, because just a few billion isn't enough

[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 3 points 1 week ago

This is the correct answer. Facebook has third-party scripts all over the internet. I wish people would understand this — just because you’re not a Facebook user doesn’t mean Facebook (or anyone else) doesn’t track you.

I’m not sure about Facebook but tons of trackers are in apps too so the typical “use an adblocker” grumble isn’t even accurate either.

[-] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

”only on the web”, …yeah right.

[-] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Who made this meme forgot about android lol

[-] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

....and chromeOS

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 18 points 1 week ago

google through only the web, what a fucking joke. if you have a google account check your activity history. it will list the times you have opened an app.

if you don't have a google account but your phone has google services, don't be afraid that you can't check it, they're still harvesting it.

want to avoid it?
Step 0: don't by samsung. xiaomi neither, they plan to make you unable to execute the next step.
Step 1: unlock your phone. take ownership into your hands. but back up your photos, the 2FA Authenticator app's data and whatever else is important, because it will get deleted.
Step 2: install a privacy oriented custom ROM.
Step 3: profit

keep bank services contained in the firefox browser. if they don't allow access there, switch banks, you'll be better off with a smaller one anyways.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 8 points 1 week ago

GrapheneOS for google pixel phones, otherwise CalyxOS, DivestOS, maybe even IodéOS. All of these are Android but with better defaults, without irremovable spying garbage, and with some features nowhere else available.

if your phone is not supported by these, check LineageOS. or plan your next phone purchase according to the compatibility list of the above. if you're going for longevity but you don't need a flagship, Fairphone is agood choice, if you can look away from the lack of a JACK.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If all else fails, you can try using whatever the lastest community supported fork of Universal Android Debloater is. It uses ADB to remove bloatware, which bypasses vendor locks on keeping certain apps installed.

Obviously no real replacement for custom ROMs, but it's better than nothing.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 1 week ago

That's undoubtedly useful, but won't help with the google part, even if it uninstalls some google apps

[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 1 week ago

I’m a broken record: block Google (or whomever) with network-based blocking (IP and/or DNS), these guys have third-party tracking in virtually every website and app.

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Almost every B2C company I've worked at, I've written or had my devs write proxies for whatever trackers we use. The reality is that every company to whom this data matters to figure out their business model will proxy their trackers. If they don't they need to fire their lead engineers.

It's actually pretty easy to disguise this traffic even to the point where you can use the originating server/cdn to interleave the tracking with the content source.

[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 1 week ago

Proxy? Is it that hard to figure out how to bundle and serve assets from the same domain? 😂

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

It's not about serving assets it's about hiding telemetry from adblockers, dns filters, ip lists, etc.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 1 week ago

businesses are truly developing malware

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 1 week ago

as an additional measure, sure. but these blocks are not hard to circumvent, so it's not enough in itself

[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 1 week ago

They’re not hard to circumvent, sure but then why am I so effectively blocking almost everything not tied to the “real” first-party domains?

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 0 points 1 week ago

because they don't yet circumvent it. but also, are you completely sure everything is blocked? DoT, DoH traffic and such?

[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well I MITM myself quite often to confirm it. I’m also smashing together hundreds of blocklists, and I always check the network tab of my browser’s developer tools and very rarely see anything coming from third-party domains.

Sure, sometimes assets are on the actual domain I’m visiting (or its CDN) but most of the time, even tracking scripts there are broken because they still call the blocked scripts.

By the way, it’s hilarious that everyone wants to fight so hard about this yet when someone says “use an adblocker” nobody says anything as if it’s the end-all solution.

I didn’t say “I have a bulletproof, surefire way to fix this.” I said “use network-based blocking.” However effective that is is up to the person implementing it; you have no idea how effective my setup is because you don’t have access to its configuration.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

I feel like MS and Google should be switched. Web probably has more harvestable info. Plus phones.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

The OS handles all the network requests, can take screenshots, and track your eyes

But yeah Google Linux is way more popular than Windows for personal use

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Phones is absolutely a valid point these days, IMO OS > web + web browser in terms of what you can get.

MS and google both know what porn you are looking at. What you buy from your PC etc... MS knows how much time you are spending playing games + has screenshots of all your encrypted conversations etc...

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

There are so few native desktop apps these days, it's all on the web.
And the browser can glean a lot more about user interaction than just web traffic, like where you hover, what parts of the page you're interacting with, etc.
That's why I said that (combined with phone), Google probably knows more.

But it's probably a pretty close competition

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

spy

Spy ON.

[-] shreddingitlater@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago
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