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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by Social_Discussion@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Hey everyone, I'm new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn't publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says "Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.").

The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the "lemmy.ml" server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers".

So I thought I try that one when it's from Lemmy's own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called "The Principles of Communism" which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I've never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it's part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.

This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?

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[-] teagrrl@lemmy.ml 9 points 18 hours ago

Filters out conservatives pretty well and stops bots because it requires the user to read.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Interesting. Must be newish because that wasn't a requirement when I signed up a few years back.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The .ml admins (and devs of Lemmy the software) are from that crowd, basically. If you don't like it, try another instance.

Edit: .ml is for Marxist-Leninist, even. There's no connection to Mali.

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 1 points 5 hours ago

Edit: .ml is for Marxist-Leninist, even. There's no connection to Mali.

this is a literal lie, its because the servers are held in mali not because of 'marxist leninist'

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Mali is a Saharan country with low population, spotty, super expensive internet and unreliable power; I'd be surprised if the machines are literally there. And anyway, Dessalines has never mentioned being from a Malian background, but he does identify as ML.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 22 hours ago

Welcome. Admins and mods of every instance, not just ml are very trigger happy to enforce their opinion. Going as far as fully disabling users accounts. Not by using an automatic word filter though.

Each instance has different political opinions you need to agree with. This one likes communism. Upside is no email verification required, so it is very private.

Lemmy is much more wild west than moden Reddit. Similar to old Reddit. Enjoy the ride.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 20 hours ago

As the internet should be.

[-] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 21 hours ago

That depends on the instance you are in.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Main Lemmy devs are communist and aren't shy to enforce their views, which gets reflected in their instance, lemmy.ml, which is considered to be fairly tankie.

However, as Lemmy is federated, you can join any other instance and view whatever interests you without having to recite political literature to sign up.

In fact, the most popular instance is actually lemmy.world, which is not politically affiliated; although it defederated from certain instances, which might make you feel limited. I found lemmy.today as a way to be connected with anything and everything, from Hexbear to Beehaw, to, well, Lemmy.world

[-] Ambii@lemmy.ml 7 points 17 hours ago

Main Lemmy devs are communist and aren't shy to enforce their views

Their evil enforcement, our righteous peace keeping.

In fact, the most popular instance is actually lemmy.world, which is not politically affiliated;

Being "apolitical" just means they're neoliberal. Which tbh sounds perfect for OP.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Nah, I take similar issue with liberals who scream about their views everywhere, asked or not, and do their best to turn Lemmy into a place where politics (and, especially, American politics, as if it's a country with 99% of Earth's population) is everywhere. If Lemmy.world would ask people to recite Adam Smith, I'd absolutely be pissed.

For the record, I am communist, I just don't want to be bombarded with politics at every corner and I refuse to analyze crochet through the prism of the class theory. It is possible to abstain from politics on .world, but it is often hard to escape on .ml (thankfully, Linux communities are generally neutral), or Hexbear (although it tries) or, Marx forbid, Lemmygrad, latter being a straight up shithole where politics is everything, people are as politically uniform as clones, and you can be banned for saying Stalin could be wrong in some of his decisions (I'm serious, it happened).

People need to have a place to relax and unwind, and endless political circlejerk is not a good environment for that. Politics is important, but not really when people just proclaim the same things over and over again as a form of leisure.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Nah, I take similar issue with liberals who scream about their views everywhere, asked or not, and do their best to turn Lemmy into a place where politics (and, especially, American politics, as if it's a country with 99% of Earth's population) is everywhere.

I doubt that; otherwise you'd be screaming at everyone, all of the time. Politics are life, life is politics; ESPECIALLY if you're not white-- this whole bullshit sounds like exactly why I don't organize with white "leftists"; 'cause you ain't no damn comrade of mine with a take like that. I don't get to just "opt out". I walk down the street, it's side-eyes from settlers over the melanin in my skin, side-eyes from settlers over the coarseness of my hair, side-eyes from settlers over the size of my lips and nose, side-eyes from settlers over why I'm even in their space when I lived here half my fuckin life.

I don't get to opt out, so neither do fuckin you.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well, believe it or not, I do take issue with this liberal pseudo-left everywhere. Big part of the reason I stopped following politics on Lemmy is because it's mostly a uniform blob of liberals that consider themselves "the left", and the actual left "tankies" and dangerous psycho radicals because most of their kin of "left" are American exceptionalists who really believe not being a fascist means you're left now. And that took me a LOT of filter rules, not just unsubbing politics-related communities, to finally silence that shitflow.

We all are victims of the current political situation - some more, some less. Even trans folks, which are probably under the heaviest of fires right now, often prefer NOT to immerse themselves in the political debates and news more than it is required to merely survive - and that's totally understandable, because when politics hits you heavy every day, some people need to take a breather. Don't deny them that.

And me being white male doesn't mean I'm free from any oppression. While you may experience more of it due to additional traits, such as you being black, that's not alpha and omega of it, and the more we split, the less effective we are at uniting where we can and where it is equally if not more important - to fight for the working class. A black billionaire lives an infinitely better life than I do, and he does it by exploiting us all - white, black, male, female, nonbinary, cis and trans. That's not to say racism isn't real or some shit - a white billionaire would do even better - but there are many axis of oppression, and it's not like you're oppressed and I am not. Besides, I'm all for the demolition of racism, and while I could be less vigilant, I'm not much more tolerant to it.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

There is no coming together with the settler when it is the settler in the way of my people's liberation; and it's frankly contemptuous that you think there somehow is. The state of race relations in this country is so positively abysmal that I would sooner put my faith in the Chinese than ever consider white Americans worth the time or effort expended. There is no 'coming together' with you and yours as long as we are unreparated and unliberated. You may as well just come out with it and say you feel you're entitled to my camaraderie rather than trying to orate yourself around that particular elephant in the room; there'd be more dignity in it.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

No, I'd rather say you have an extreme case of "race/gender over everything" mentality that permeates so many pretentiously left liberals among others.

I'm not a "settler", I live where I was born, and I never (at least knowingly) discriminated against anyone on the basis of race. You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people, for the severe oppression of the black people back in the days neither of us was even born, and for the milder (although very real) forms of it permeating today to which I hold no relation. I don't have to reparate you anything, and I refuse to give you some special status you seem to feel entitled to; but if someone actively discriminates black people (or hispanic, or even whites for that matter - that is a thing in certain societies, world doesn't end outside America), I am willing to take the side of the oppressed, and more people could join black liberation movement if you yourself wouldn't piss everyone off.

If you, however, still want to be treated like a princess, I don't need such camaraderie. You are either a comrade, an equal fighting alongside me (and me alongside you), or you're not. And the most I can hope for is your realization that we have issues we both struggle with, and end this splintering of the left that makes us weak and useless, infighting over fighting our common enemy. At least the right are ready to unite, so...here we are. Enjoy the fruits of your personal liberation.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

No, I'd rather say you have an extreme case of "race/gender over everything"

I'm not a "settler",

You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people,

to which I hold no relation.

I don't have to reparate you anything,

If you, however, still want to be treated like a princess, I don't need such camaraderie.

You really hit the settler-leftist bingo with this one, no free space necessary. Every last thing you've said reeks of uninvestigated white supremacy; and I'd suggest self-crit if I believed for a half a second in your bonafides.

That said, thank you for justifying why I put more faith in AES than white leftism, justifying why I consider there to be no revolutionary potential in the western settler, and justifying why I will only ever organize with Black formations. You, and everyone like you can't even bear to cop to the thread of history which your story is sewn in, let alone figure out how to rectify that state. This is exactly why I have no time, faith, or camaraderie for the white 'left'.

As usual, we'll have to get it our own damn selves, with you people constantly in our way. What I get for discoursing with people John Brown would've turned into a speed loader.

https://readsettlers.org

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 20 hours ago

There's a list on GitHub of instances by most federation. It's where I found mine.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Good option! Could you please share the link to the list if you still have one?

[-] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 60 points 2 days ago

This wasn't around when I joined. I suppose this serves two purposes:

  • Stop conservatives from joining the instance.

  • An additional filter to make it a bit harder for bots to make accounts.

I think that's killing two birds with one stone.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 days ago

Yeah when I joined IIRC I just had to write a sentence about why I wanted to join. The communism thing made me laugh though!

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you have an email address, you're already used to the federated service pattern. When you sign up for a gmail, you're making an account with Google to be able to send emails to anyone else with an email address. And there's nothing stopping Google from making you fill out a "sketchy" application to get an account.

On Lemmy, each instance has its own set of rules, and if you don't like them, you just make an account on a different instance.

As far as censorship, each "community" (analog to subreddit) lives on a certain instance and the rules of that instance apply.

Edit: also on the topic of communism, however you feel about communism in the physical world is irrelevant when it comes to the digital world. Free and Open Source Software makes the world go 'round, and is often communist in nature, even if done unintentionally. The pattern of people developing software for their own purposes, and then sharing it freely with others is the purest form of "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." That said, running an instance isn't free, so make sure to kick your instance a few bucks if you appreciate their work.

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[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 131 points 2 days ago

it's not sketchy, it's basically a captcha to keep down automated bot sign ups, and they link to that document in particular, i assume, because the devs are marxists and figure folks who are vehemently anti-communist would refuse and thus keep down their moderation load.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 days ago

The most correct answer here honestly.

[-] starbrite@lemmy.zip 0 points 19 hours ago

Ikr? I'm honestly tempted to go back to reddit, but the privacy concerns ick me out

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 days ago

.ml is treated as a bit of a bogeyman around here - most of my interactions with their instance and users has been good. I realise this could be different for others. But, yes, they are Marxist-Leninist so, obviously, their opinions and content will be closely aligned with their political philosophy. In my personal opinion and experience .world seems to have vacuumed-up a tremendous amount of people from the other site you mentioned (Robbit?). Their netiquette seems to have not changed. Also, myself and some others have noticed that on .world it’s not unusual to see comments that express views from outside what the majority believe get deleted. Fortunately the “mod logs” are public record so you can see why comments were deleted, whom by and what the original post/comment was. (I guess with the exception of illegal content that has to be scrubbed) I hope you enjoy your time here. Welcome.

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