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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 139 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

In all that crazy, there's, shockingly, two good points:

Psychedelics. There's at least anecdotal evidence they're good for treating certain traumas / PTSD. So, yeah, we should be looking into their medicinal applications. But is it the FDA or the DEA that's cockblocking those?
Stem cells. Abso-fucking-lutely yes. But wasn't it the "pro life" people holding that up?

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 86 points 9 hours ago

Don't expect consistency from this administration.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 4 hours ago

There are also very good reasons to think that the money in medicine distorts and corrupts the science. Fact is the proper trials are very expensive and the only institutions that can afford them are pharmaceutical corporations. So the only treatments that get trailed are the ones that make good business sense.

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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 32 points 8 hours ago

I mean psychedelics really shouldn't be suppressed as much as they want, but with him gutting all actual medical science, they're not gonna be helping much.

They have tons of potential and power, but binging mushrooms for three days and dancing in circles isn't probably the only way we can utilise them. (I'm not saying it's a bad one, just not necessarily suited for everyone.)

And actually if psychedelics gets lumped into his shit it might just be a step back for research on psychedelics when eventually this craziness of his blows up in his face. Hopefully before he implements any of it. Or even gets into office.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 20 points 8 hours ago

Clean foods is also a good thing

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 43 points 8 hours ago

My concern is that his definition of clean food is incompatible with a sane definition of clean food.

We're talking about a man who got mercury poisoning from eating unsafe fish, and ate meat that caused a worm to eat part of his brain. His standards for food safety are clearly not the same as mine.

If he were to assert that pasteurizing milk causes nearsightedness and lazy eye, I wouldn't not be surprised.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 12 points 8 hours ago

Right, but we already have that so I left it off the list. Not that there aren't things that slip through, but that's mostly a matter of enforcement and ensuring compliance (both things I do not expect him to take seriously).

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 27 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

We don't really. The EU refuses to import things like US chicken because of our food processes.

EU food standards are leagues past ours, but the core reason is regulating some of our worst factory farm processes. More regulation will absolutely not happen for 4 years, so no real progress will be made.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago

That "worst factory farm process" is cleaning chicken with cleaning agents generally regarded as safe.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R40199.pdf

The EU food safety agencies have issued opinions that it's fine, and the EU would resume importing US poultry if it weren't for that. The same agents are allowed to be used on other imported and domestically produced foods.
The conditions in our typical poultry facility are perfectly in line with theirs, we just allow an additional rinse that they don't.

Our food supply is nowhere near as gross as people seem convinced.
The biggest threat to the cleanliness of our food supply is actually people like RFK who view the food safety apparatus as the enemy.

I really don't see the incoming administration blocking washing poultry with vinegar or a dilute bleach solution and compensating with increased staffing for food inspection agents. More likely they approve requests by the meat industry to be able to do their own inspection and reduce independent verification in the name of "efficiency".

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

GRAS can be self-affirmed by companies. It's a huge loophole.

Also, the conditions chickens are raised and slaughtered in the US as well as its dependence on undocumented workers that will not jeopardize their jobs by reporting safety issues or contamination hazards are also really large problems.

Our food supply has issues I would consider pretty gross and it's going to get a whole lot worse over the next few years.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

In the case of the food cleaning sprays, I didn't use "generally regarded as safe" in the sense they use it for food additives, I meant it in the plain English sense. The list of acceptable sprays is codified by the FDA and both the US and EU food safety organizations acknowledge that the risk of public health because of them is negligibly low. That's why the EU also uses the same sprays, just not for poultry specifically. Our standards are otherwise completely compatible .

I'm not saying there aren't gross things in our food system, or things we allow that others don't. I'm saying the poultry thing isn't one of them, and the reputation our food system has as a disgusting free for all is unwarranted.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 2 points 4 hours ago

Given the giant list of companies that do absolutely nothing to limit the PFCs in our food, we really don't.

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 9 points 7 hours ago

For point one, there was a big study about it but it turned out the study co-ordinators were intimidating people into saying that it helped them when it didn't. This is why psychedelics are still banned because the "scientists" that were trying to prove that they were safe fucked up in the dumbest possible way.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 1 points 5 hours ago

We can simply harvest stem cells from the lowest status minorities in the deportation camps

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

2: Yes, buttt there are some issues, but afaik do not throw the baby out with the bath water -> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/29/the-stem-cell-scandal

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 points 9 hours ago

Yes.
Also, yes.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 39 points 8 hours ago

Don't worry, everyone! While we will ignore science and make sure you don't have vaccines, you'll have shrooms, rock crystals, and essential oils when bird flu finally hits.

Or I eat a dead bat and become patient zero for Ebola. It's all good! - RFK Jr

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 2 points 4 hours ago

I'm surprised, with all the whale carcasses and roadkill bears, RFK Jr hasn't already become patient zero for a pandemic.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 hours ago

The Democrats should create a shadow presidential cabinet where the health secretary gives science backed advice for people who are looking for it. It would be better to have a centralised political source rather than having everyone independently search Healthline

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Healthline

WebMD

[-] Whorehoarder@lemmynsfw.com 53 points 8 hours ago

Fucking FDA and big Pharma having a stranglehold on vitamins, exercise and su-...and ..sunshine..

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 31 points 8 hours ago

Don't forget the FDA's aggressive suppression of exercise.

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[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Day of the living brain dead.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 hours ago

Look people. This is life now. We could rise up and put all these motherfuckers out of our misery, but nobody is willing to handle business

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago

The American public is too servile, and too busy tearing each other down, to do that.

[-] _bcron_@lemmy.world 28 points 8 hours ago

stem cells

Evangelicals: I think you're getting ahead of yourself

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 16 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I think we should take full advantage of this opportunity. Ok, here we go.

"Robert F Kennedy Jr Is a 👶🗡️BABY MURDERER👶🗡️!!! He thinks people should inject 💉themselves with stem cells which is just a Demoncrat code name for little bits of 💀unborn baby💀! 👏President Trump 👏 is appointing a pro-choice Demoncrat 👹 BABY MURDERER to head up the FDA !! Pass it on and tell PRESIDENT Trump to not appoint ☠️BABY MURDER RFK JR ☠️ to run the FDA."

How am I doing so far?

Edit: Facebookified it a bit.

[-] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

Louder and without all that pesky grammar. More clap emojis and unhinged emotional language.

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

Ask and you shall receive.

[-] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

Art imitates life.

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 24 points 9 hours ago

Can’t wait for deregulation to result in a tech bro reinvesting his Facebook money into an Uber But For Psychedelics startup that incentivizes mixing 9% more sawdust into my shrooms to maximize yield

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