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Seriously lol
They don’t control shit, they’ve barely had power outside the presidency for 15 years, and when they do it’s indistinguishable from the real deal. The controlled opposition might as well mot exist
They are saying the Ds and Rs are the same party
Both sides are the same! /s
Just different wings of the same fundamental team.
They aren't. One side wants to destroy everything and the other waggles their fingers and lines their pockets.
To be fair to the other commenter, both are the same insofar that they ~~enrich oligarchs~~ are motivated by lobbyists and corporate interests.
Yes, and they need to run as third party. The Democratic Party has proven that they will destroy any attempt to push their party left.
Cant do that while Citizens United ruling still stands and Musk can buy whatever president he wants.
And who is going to undo any of that first?
The key is to look beyond myopic electoralism as the only way a party can express power and organize. Organize with direct action, organize labor, and teach socialism.
Dont forget to add Aipac to this lists. I have no idea how they aren’t scrutinized more commonly. I am sure they played a big part this election.
Imagine if there was a pro chinese organization being politically active in the US openly lobbying and funding both US parties for chinese interests.
Its bad on a silver plater.
Because it's anti-semetic if you stop them from bribing, blackmailing, and spying on our politicians.
Musk is focused at his level. I say we sweep the foundations.
I see youre unfamiliar with the Supremacy Clause
Or how much he also spent down-ballot.
Nah, you're right, better give up.
Or...
We try and do whatever we can, even at the smallest levels.
Yes, maybe democrats should have pushed for political literacy in schools. Yet they kept their citizens in the dark on how to participate in using their right to run for office.
The democratic party spent a ton of resources this election on barring progressive candidates from running. Bernie himself endorsed Kamala. Stop listening to anything any of them say, they are all fighting a battle to keep you from supporting progressive candidates.
Stop making campaigns so expensive and you might see that. We have had a couple "working class" candidates in the past but they were extremely niche so didn't garner much support
Bernie had a lot of support back in 2020, but he got ratfucked by the entire field moving to ensure that Joe had a clear path to beat him.
What will more candidates do?
I don't see how that addresses the issue, at least on a federal level. Bernie was one of the most popular candidates in previous elections and that didn't count for anything. It's clear that the game is rigged. Look at other countries, where the equivalent party to the Democrats (that is, the 'middle left') has a leadership still beholden to corporate interests despite their working class rank-and-file and substantial union lobbying.
Third parties already exist and you can see how viable they are. The FPTP spoiler effect isn't going away any time soon.
Third parties already exist and you can see how viable they are. The FPTP spoiler effect isn’t going away any time soon.
Well... if the issue of slavery was central to the development of the Republican Party, and the working class struggles of Europe led to the creation of Labour and SocDem Parties in Europe
There is a slim chance, that by precedent, one breaking issue could widen up, as to create a new political party that swallows up and destroys one of the moribund parties, through its absorption of its former key constituencies
(though it must take advantage of the power vacuum fully) (emphasis on the term 'slim', to refer to 1%)
Heck, we could follow Canada, and have it so that America relies on multi-partisan coalitions, rather than Dems, Reps, or even both alone
Then, again, Idk Americans, so mindlessly downvote me if ye want...
Nothing in life is ever so permanent...
Aside from our need for voting reform, the bigger issue lies in that most prominent media outlets are owned by the same billionaires that are bankrolling the two parties. No third (or fourth, fifth, etc) will have chance in hell at gaining ground in the current media climate because they will immediately be scrubbed and erased from the narrative.
the bigger issue lies in that most prominent media outlets are owned by the same billionaires that are bankrolling the two parties. No third (or fourth, fifth, etc) will have chance in hell at gaining ground in the current media climate because they will immediately be scrubbed and erased from the narrative.
I couldn't agree more...
Bernie didn’t stand a chance because both of the “parties” are corrupt af. More candidates that don’t require some corporate controlled party to endorse them to actually show up on the ballot, is exactly what we need.
You can then take it further by outlawing absolutely any lobbying and sponsorships of political campaigns; have an equal amount of funds set aside that allows each candidate an equal amount of airtime/advertising/etc.. You could take it even further by having a government owned and dedicated channel for each candidate to showcase their agenda and goals that they’d like to run on, with proper fact checking and ability for voters to hold those candidates accountable post elections.
Simply saying “more candidates won’t fix it”, is the same as not doing anything at all. We need to separate all the corporate parties and interests from our democracy.
at least on a federal level
The FPTP spoiler effect isn't going away any time soon.
You are 100% spot on. What we need are progressive candidates on the local level, were voting rules are determined, to push Rank Choice Voting. The Two Party System is a result of FPTP voting; take that away and implement RCV and the Two Party System will begin to crumble naturally.
Yep. And TODAY is the fucking time to talk about it. We just came off an election where a lot of folks were feeling bad about their choices.
More candidates down ballot, not just top of the ticket. Get working class people in local and state government, who can help drive forward voting reform.
They got until 2026 to figure it out. My hopes aren't high though. If they can turn the mid-terms into their favor and owe up to some of that loss in the 2024 elections, we'll see.
But has the Democratic Party ever owed up to the mistakes when it comes to campaigning? They just ignored the playbook of 2008 and 2012, then decided "oh yeah that one from 2016? yeah we want that one!" and went with it. And it burned up in their face.
Not even that, they went with the 2020 playbook of "Hey, at least I'm not Trump." It worked in 2020 due to Trump's shit being fresh in everyone's minds, plus his bungled covid response. Now that covid is basically in the rearview mirror (as far as the majority of the population is concerned) and prices are through the roof, it's once again time to blame the democrats for the previous administration's fiscal irresponsibility and go with the big spenders once again.