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Add "Havana Syndrome" to the list of fake stories that you're not allowed to question on .world (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Objection@lemmy.ml to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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The first sentence on the Wikipedia page for it calls it "a disputed medical condition." Even the CIA itself has admitted that cases are not caused by "a sustained global campaign by a hostile power." The State Department similarly released a report that it was highly unlikely the symptoms were caused by any sort of directed energy weapon. In fact, seven different US intelligence agencies released a consensus statement saying, "available intelligence consistently points against the involvement of US adversaries in causing the reported incidents."

But the clowns on .world don't care about things like truth or evidence, or even direct statements from the people who's boots they have in their mouths. If it makes an enemy of the US look bad, then it is absolute truth, and anything short of complete faith and loyalty must be purged from conversation.

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 32 points 1 week ago

I have no love at all for most of the LW mods, and mostly don't go there. But I suspect that your comment was removed because it sounds unhinged and shouty, and is attempting in part to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you through sheer force of aggressiveness, rather than just citing why you think the story you're commenting under is wrong / why you think it's misinformation. It seems like anyone who wants to have a discussion with you from the opposing point of view is probably going to experience a lot more of the same, and so nothing productive will come of it.

I don't know if removing the comment entirely would be the right move, but it's not indicative of opening a constructive dialogue on the topic with people there some of who will surely disagree with you.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

It wasn't removed for being shouty or aggressive, it was removed for "misinformation." If the mods don't like the tone, they should say so, and at least give me a chance to edit it. What they're saying instead is, "This is indisputably proven true, there is no conversation to be had about this, and anyone claiming otherwise is a bad actor," because that's what a removal for misinformation means. Of course, they don't have any evidence to back it up, because as I said, they don't believe in sourcing claims or basing beliefs on evidence.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

Chipping in as a former mod. We get a lot of reports. At some point, huge long run on paragraphs like this will get skimmed over. We don't have the time or capacity to dissect every thesis that gets reported. If it throws up red flags (and this one throws up a lot), we make a judgement based on that. Sorry, but that's how modding works.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Also chiming in to say, if banning haphazardly is a consequence of not having enough mods, then maybe they should be getting more mods.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

Speaking from experiences on !showsandmovies@lemm.ee and !football@lemmy.world , the vast majority of people aren't interested in moderating.

I left the call for mods post open on the first one for weeks, only got one volunteer after two months

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ye I know, but typically if you don't find mods like that, there's also not a lot of traffic either to justify not taking the time, no?

The of course doesn't take into account super-mods, i.e. people modding dozens or comms, but that's on them really.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

!showsandmovies@lemm.ee has 2110 monthly active users, seems quite active to me.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Doesn't seem to have so much traffic that 4 mods can't deal with it.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

We are 3, the two first accounts are the same person. Most of the time there aren't many reports, but then once in a while a "heated" topic comes up (usually wokism and representation in TV shows) and then you'll get a few due to bigotry.

I just don't know why people aren't as interested in shows as in movies. !movies@lemm.ee has 2780 monthly active users, and we have 7 mods there.

Also, besides the "dealing with the reports" aspects of being a mod, there is also a "building the community", and for that one I'm mostly alone. Again, a bit surprising seeing how popular that topic should be. On the other hand, !television@lemmy.world has no mods at all, so maybe it's just a trend for the whole topic.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

I think it's just a lot to do with attention. I like shows more than movies lately, but I don't have time or inclining to sit and discuss them as well usually.

And ye, bootstrapping any comm on lemmy is fairly hard.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

That could be it. Or than people want specific communities for each show rather than a generic one.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I used to mod r/Futurology, one of the default reddit subs. Hard to say how many actual users, but over 10M subscribed (inflated because we were a default sub). Even then we had trouble getting reliable mods who wouldn't drop out after a month.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Are you still a mod there? Could you promote !futurology@futurology.today as an alternative?

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Futurology.today is run by the same team, we have tried promoting it and getting people to move, but haven't had much luck with the inertia.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

That's sad to hear, thanks for trying

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Are you able to review and unsuspend accounts there? I got suspended 3 times in about 6 weeks, and the 3rd one is just permanent. I still don't get what I was suspended over. The team won't tell me, and they claim it's viewed by a human team, but I know it's not.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Only on .today if that's what you meant

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Oh, no I meant reddit

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

This wasn't a huge run on paragraph, that's just how things get displayed in the modlog.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Ah. Ignore above comment then.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 9 points 1 week ago

I just read the comments there. The majority of the comments are agreeing with your viewpoint. Almost everyone thinks this news story is wrong, and they were all saying so. They just weren’t cocks about it.

You were moderated for being shouty and unpleasant. Now, you’re being shouty and unpleasant here, and constructing a fiction where everyone is crazy liberal bootlickers trying to silence your truth, when everyone is way ahead of you on that particular truth, waiting for you to realize that they also agree with you.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 week ago

No, they were moderated for "misinformation", as it says right there

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago

Getting banned for disputing fucking havana syndrome is so fucking funny holy shit. That's basically an honor imo

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 15 points 1 week ago

Why are you guys so addicted to victim complex?

He wasn’t banned, his comment was removed. And it wasn’t for disputing Havana syndrome, most of the people in those comments were doing that. They just weren’t combative and unhinged about it.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I didn't read the post fully because I am drunk lol. It's not a victim complex, havana is just obviously stupid bullshit

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

I am drunk lol

Make sure to drink some water or you might have Havana Syndrome in the morning 😆

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Havana syndrome? Nah, I'm Havana couple of beers!

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

I hope one day I get banned for saying Iraq didn't have a billion WMDs

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What is even the point of .world? Every single person on there would be just as happy if they had stayed on reddit lmao

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They were gonna be miserable anywhere, but grass greener so go to new place.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Honestly, the mod probably didn't get past the first sentence. That was an extremely hard to read rant with a lot of red flags. Can't say I blame them.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Of course there were red flags, I'm a communist.

Red flags for what exactly? That I'm not a part of their tribe? Because I say that pretty openly and consistently. Last I checked that's not against the rules.

And what exactly about my first sentence would justify my comment's removal? Skepticism of the government?

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I mean, 'first sentence' was a bit of hyperbole. But you get my gist. I'm not saying you were wrong or broke any rules, I'm just explaining why this happened.

[-] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

How dare you claim that the CIA would dose people with LSD in an attempt to do mind control! MKULTRA is a conspiracy theory, that is Soviet type authoritarianism!

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago

I don't know. I liked to tongue-in-cheek approach to making fun of the US govt and stupid conspiracy theory. Not everything requires seriousness and respect. I'm gonna go with a PTB here but a mild one since this wasn't a full-on ban. But they're definitely trigger-happy towards MLs (for good reason, but still)

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago

Your comment was probably removed because first of all you extremely far from any sort of politness.

Second of all you clearly fail to acknowledge that there have been multiple people disabled by something, we don’t know what. Whether or not it is some pathophysiological illness because of spy weapons, or something completely unrelated, we don’t know, but it’s indisputable that a large number of people were disabled in the same place in a similar timeframe by… somthing.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your comment was probably removed because first of all you extremely far from any sort of politness.

Then the mods should've listed that as the reason for removal.

but it’s indisputable that a large number of people were disabled in the same place in a similar timeframe by… somthing.

It actually is disputable, seeing as it's, you know, "a disputed medical condition." Yeah, some people had some symptoms, but what constitutes Havana Syndrome was always incredibly broad and vague, to the point that anything anyone experienced could be chalked up to it. It's nothing but a socially constructed catch-all category for an array of pre-existing health conditions, responses to environmental factors, and stress reactions that were lumped under a single label.

That is, by the way, verbatim from a scientific paper about it.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 week ago

No, we know it's not the result of some literally physics defying sci fi weapon.

[-] underisk@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

One of my comments got removed for “misinformation” because I predicted Biden would send more support to Israel in his lame duck period while Bibi celebrates Trump’s return.

I’m pretty sure it got removed because a mod responded to it with “nobody cares” on one of his alts and then I called him a nobody who cares enough to be childish about it on the internet.

[-] Rongbipper@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 week ago

This guy has an interesting deep dive on the controversy: https://youtu.be/xqE0ltifQ2M

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