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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by someguy3@lemmy.world to c/general@lemmy.world

If Honda and Nissan can't survive at their size, well Subaru and Mazda are tiny by comparison.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

I doubt the merger has anything to do with survival and everything to do with consolidating power and profit.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago

Has to do with survival for Nissan and Mitsubishi.

[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago

Nothing I hope, Subaru is great and I will be furious if they fuck it up.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 2 months ago

Subaru's are doing fine and owners love them. Sure they ain't big but they got a profitable business with a good brand name.

[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I don't know, Subaru is a pretty big brand at least where I live.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Doesn't Toyota own like 40% of Subaru?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Huh.

Toyota Motors bought a little over 40% of GM's former FHI stock, amounting to 8.7% of FHI. (The rest of GM's shares went to a Fuji stock buy-back program.)[17]

FHI being Fuji Heavy Industry, which is now Subaru Corporation.

*Subaru Corporation:

Owners

Toyota (20.42%)

The Master Trust Bank of Japan investment trusts (14.15%)

Custody Bank of Japan investment trusts (5.28%)

State Street Bank West Client - Treaty 505234 (1.56%)

(as of September 30, 2024)[3]

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Nissan made some absolutely terrible design decisions, namely the wide use of CVTs. I think this has contributed to their downfall. I imagine Subaru and Mazda will be OK.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

To be fair, Nissan CVTs end up being garbage because their fluid change interval is like 100K miles when it should be 30K miles. Change that fluid on the regular, and it'll be fine.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

The problem is people see Nissans CVTs being shit and just assume all CVTs are shit. Really Nissan just chooses to make shit CVTs and their brand suffers because of it.

Subaru puts CVTs in their cars and they're largely fine. They naturally had some teething issues initially but coincidentally that was with the torque converter side of things and not the CV side.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Toyota does too have several CVT options.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

It’s not that they can’t survive because of their size, it’s that they can’t survive with the crappy products they’ve been putting out lately and their costs. From what I’ve seen Subaru still has a decent profit margin, so it doesn’t matter that they’re smaller.

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