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[-] beepbooprobot@lemmy.world 80 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

In no specific order:

  • Counter-Strike 2

  • Dota 2

  • Palworld

  • PUBG

  • Elden Ring

  • Black Myth: Wukong

  • Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

  • Call of Duty: Black Ops 6

  • Apex Legends

  • Helldivers II

  • Baldur’s Gate 3

  • Destiny 2

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 6 months ago

The dark open secret here is that counterstrike (and potentially dota) made the most money due to being used as a vehicle for gambling

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And the dark non-secret is that them and basically all the other top-grossing multiplayer games on the list are there because gambling is also their primary source of income.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 months ago

I know you mean the general gambling of loot boxes, but no, I meant, literal gambling on 3rd party s(h)ites. CS2 skin gambling. Which iirc most other games are not doing.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I know, I was more expanding on your comment mocking the prevelence and acceptance of gambling by the industry as whole. That said, quite a few other the others do have external markets for selling accounts, often with rare items (from lootbox gambling) being a major factor in the value. I know my War Thunder account is worth well over a grand at this point, for example, because of some of the rare drops I have on it.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ah gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I'd argue reselling of accounts is nowhere near as bad as skin gambling though. It doesn't trigger the gambling addicts.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It absolutely still can, but its not quite as enticing. For example, you open a lootbox, get all the slot machine animations (usually with misleading visuals to play up your odds) and then a glowing red "legendary" item. You don't know how much its worth without looking it up, but you do still get the risk and payoff regardless. Even if you can't resell if, it can still be enough for people to get addicted to. If anything, its worse in a lot of new ways because its usually harder to avoid (Ie, mobile or sports games where lootboxes are needed to play the game) and can't be cashed out. The sunk cost without any way to cash out is often an intentional decision to to help keep users (esspecially those gambling) from leaving. You can see this esspecially in games that go to great lengths to show you your "earnings" at every turn. They're known as anchor purchases if I remeber right.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

I insist that this is nowhere near the same as actual gambling with skins on slots and such. Those are much much worse.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No other games have a direct fake money to real money pipeline. The trade system, and its API for external use, make it super easy to run those sites.

They could take the API away, but I doubt that would actually kill the off-site gambling scene if the trade system itself is kept. As long as you can give your items to someone else, they will have ways of extracting real money from people and if they can do so in a way that greatly benefits themselves over the users (as with gambling for the skins), they will continue to do so. But at least Valve wouldn't be profiting off it, in that case.

It's kinda wild to me how the problem used to just be getting scammed out of your money or your items (or both) because these kinds of 3rd party, black market things have existed for MMOs and other games with trade systems for decades but you were just buying and selling straight up with little to no protections from the developers. But then in recent years, they've gone from just being resellers to casinos where you wager your skins.

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[-] NIB@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Valve cracked down on dota gambling many years ago and since then, i dont think it is a thing anymore. However, normal gambling(for dota games or conventional sports) is the primary sponsor of most dota tournaments/teams.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago

Coffeezilla did a 3-part series about how CS2 skin gambling is flourishing and hooking children as young as 12 and Valve is profiting from its inaction to crack down on it.

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[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Basically what I've seen everyone stream on Twitch throughout the year.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Well yeah, twitch tends to stream popular games, because that's where the demand is. And that tends to add more demand, thus more streamers.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

It's a constant Circle though, they stream what's considered popular but because they stream it more people play it which causes it to be even more popular

Look at lethal company as a prime example of that, if streamers never took that game it never would have gotten anywhere near the publicity that it did

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

And I think that's cool. One of the games I love (EU4) likely wouldn't have stayed relevant for so long if it wasn't for twitch streamers.

I don't watch much twitch, but I think it's cool that it helps keep games alive. I'm not into the more popular games (esp. FPS), but there's a lot of communities that are kept alive by a handful of prominent streamers.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Influencers are a hell of a thing

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

I’m assuming half of that is FPS which is very much not my thing. Give me a story I can play. BG3 I understand.

If I was in my 20s souls would likely appeal, now I’m an old fuck and just want a good, ad free story I can play along with. And DnD. No one is too old for DnD.

Ok, and Stellaris, Civ, etc. Those are like the fentanyl or crack cocaine of the gaming world.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago

You need to be in your 20s to play Souls games? No one told me! I would have stopped before DS2 released if I had known!

[-] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago

Story is kinda optional. Depends on the genre. I'm big into Factorio and Dwarf Fortress, which go light (kinda? Df is a story generator?) on story, but big on mechanics.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 6 months ago

What do you mean? I play Factorio only for The story. Its a great and complex story with lits of small little details. /s

[-] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

About 30% only are fps, plenty of variety in there.

[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Great to see Baldur's Gate 3 made the list!

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

Did that surprise you? It sold insanely well.

[-] BrowseMan@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Destiny 2?!?

Damn even as a gutted zombie Bungie manage to rack in the cash...

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