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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

So, if my history knowledge serves me well, the first thing a populist dictator does is to get rid of the people who brought them into power, I guess we are there now.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I honestly don’t think Trump is a dictator, he’s too self serving and too old.

Musk though… He’s full of himself, yeah, but more ideologically driven. I’m way more worried about him.

[-] ghurab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Why would being self serving and old disqualify him from being a dictator?

He's behavior so far seems consistent with dictatorship. Disregarding laws, undermining democracy, promising protection for those who fall in line and retribution for those who don't, surrounding himself with yes-men... and I could go on for a while

[-] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Musk and Vivek haven't learned the lesson yet. Trump can do whatever he wants, but he can't say whatever he wants.

The few times Trump has been booed by the faithful is when he's deviated from the MAGA dogma. You can import all the workers you want, but you have to say you're deporting everyone. As long as Trump claims he's rounding up all the immigrants and getting rid of them if you try to confront MAGATs with doubling H1B visa numbers they'll scream "fake news", no matter how much evidnece they're shown.

These people are stupid, but they need to be pandered to.

[-] Minarble@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago
[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I thought we'd at least get to Trump's inauguration before the major infighting started. The next 4 years will be brutal. I hold on to some optimism that we'll make it through but it's going to be hard.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

There is hope that despite them better knowing how the government works than the last time, they are still ultimately too stupid, stubborn, and unlikable to achieve their goal at dismantling democracy. They will do a lot of lasting damage though.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The shutdown negotiations served as a reminder to me that no matter how popular Trump may be and how charismatic he may be perceived as by some, he's ultimately fucking terrible at politics.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That’s a reminder alarm that must go off near constantly.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

If you are having any conservative Christmas/new years gatherings left, now's the time to subtly make them aware of these dichotomies to cause disillusionment with MAGA.

"You like Elon Musk? He loves immigrant labour at his companies and censored conservative figures on his free speech platform X who had disagreed."

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Personally, I keep mentioning donvict's plans to tax almost everything we buy - at 60% - 100%, apparently. I just mention that I made some purchases before donvict's taxes will probably kick in, if he was serious about what he said.

So far, I've just gotten kind of puzzled stares or silence, followed by an attempt to change the subject. The second group is at least aware enough to know a tariff = tax, I guess. The first are probably the ones that have no IDEA about the tariff plans, or foolishly think China is going to be paying the tax.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago

But fascists never turn on each other. /s

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Ok. He's not wrong in this case, but who other than a comic book villain uses the phrase, "contemptible fools?"

[-] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

At least he didn’t call them deplorable like some sort of coastal elite.

[-] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

The coastal elite thing was always real rich to me. The same people who gripe about the coastal elite somehow chose a billionaire new york real estate tycoon, whos whole personal brand for the past 40 years has been gold plated, cartoonishly decadent, opulence.

[-] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Yep. Republicans bitch all the time about Hollywood liberals interfering in politics, meanwhile they’ve put actors and game show hosts in the white house with reliably disastrous results.

I think her real crime was making them learn a new word.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

He’s not a coastal elite because he’s clearly mentally deficient. They see themselves in him.

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago

For people used to being called "deplorables" by Democrats,

Oh, please - we call them "MAGAts".

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

I prefer fascists but I like precision

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Right after the election I called it that the infighting will start before Trump takes office, and it did.

They're not going to get the votes in both houses to really do any of the shit they want to, and they're going to lose big in midterms, with a decent chance of losing both houses.

Setting us up for a great chance in 2028 against a non incumbent to get the presidency and decent majorities.

It's why the upcoming DNC chair election is so important, we need to start planning now and putting things in motion so we can capitalize at every step instead of not giving a shit for 3 years.

We need a party that never stops working, because the fascists will never stop, they'll always come back as soon as people stop paying attention.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I'm skeptical DNC. Unless they start fighting dirty and campaigning like the GoP, instead of campaigning like its 1950 and sucking up to billionares too, they are going to keep losing elections.

People see what's filtered through their feeds now, and that chaos isn't going to register much with voters. Just like it (mostly) didn't in the last few elections.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m skeptical DNC.

Unless we get a last minute pro-corpo candidate, the worst that's really possible is Martin O'Malley, who definitely isn't my first choice but he barely has any ties to the last rements of the neoliberal old guard. I'm fairly confident he'd still make all the right calls tho

The other three serious candidate would all be great, although Ben Wilker is my ideal.

and that chaos isn’t going to register much with voters

They're all rage addicted....

This won't stay a fight between Musk and trump, or even MAGA/Corpo Politicians.

Crypto bros on Twitter and red hats in Alabama will be actively going after each other the entire time, it probably already is. They don't have to be shown the chaos, they'll be part of it.

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