Whats going on over in the unpopular opinion lemmy? (lemmy.world)

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[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 weeks ago

Short version: yesterday, Lemmy.world announced essentially, though they buried it under lots of distracting verbiage, that they were going to follow in the footsteps of Vichy Twitter and Meta and allow hate speech and misinformation, and probably more to the point, they intend to force recalcitrant mods to allow it regardless of their own views on the matter.

And the head mod/creator/whatever they are of unpopular opinion took exception to that and locked the community in protest.

[-] JonsJava@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

I'm another mod of the community. Admiral didn't let me know they were doing this.

I still 100% support their actions regardless.

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[-] not_so_handsome_jack@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

I just want to highlight the term "Vichy Twitter" because I really like that. Thank you.

[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Vichy Twitter is a good one, I'm gonna write that down.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 22 points 2 weeks ago

Tankie mods on world are criticized for being too tankie in moderation.

Admins try to address this by forcing mods to argue instead of immediately ban if something is posted against their beliefs.

A non-tankie mod thinks it is bullshit that they have to engage in every online argument in good faith and takes their subs (I know this isn't the official term but it communicates the idea) dark in protest.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

i still use sub. i dont think ill ever stop. like how podcasts are still called podcasts and they dont even make ipods anymore.

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

You have to allow a little raw chicken in the mayo now.

So now people are to be allowed to sealion and troll and JAQ off in your community, so long as they do it respectfully.

Or else.

Imagine running, say, a community for vulnerable trans kids, and being forced to allow a constant influx of 'helpful suggestions', just so long as they're phrased in pretty language.

[-] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Anyone who's seen what happens when mods legitimize trolls knows it kills communities. I wish i could have stayed on blahaj but it's just as toxic as reddit lgbtq spaces now...

[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

It is? What happened to blahaj?

[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There was a person insisting on using the neopronouns ‘dragon fucker’ and the mods decided to honor that.

No I am not making this up.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

This is not true, the neopronoun was ‘drag’. Sorry you’re so caught up on what people want to be called. 🤷

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[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yikes

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[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

https://lemmy.world/post/24135976

So they're trying cut back on echo chambers and power tripping mods. I like this, but I wonder how this going to play out.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments

You.. like this? Glad I'm not a mod, this is how places like Reddit became what they are today. Opinions should be allowed, but admins should be able to moderate blatant falsehoods.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Reddit is a living emblem of the problem this is trying to solve so I have no idea what you mean.

Mods can’t be trusted to enforce the truth. It’s far too complicated and they invariably end up enforcing their own distorted view of the world instead.

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[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Policy sentiments aside, wow that post is so up it's own ass. There was definitely a more concise way to communicate the change.

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[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago

Mods are sad that this isn't reddit where their communities are their own little fiefdom

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As I understand, It was a move intended to inspire discussion rather than having overreaching moderators knee-jerk remove posts/comments. It just wasn’t worded properly.

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Seems like they locked the community in protest of recent .world TOS changes. Although I think a much better protest would be to simply refuse to enforce the changes they felt are unsatisfactory.

[-] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

...or just migrate the community to another instance? Like why are we in the fediverse? Have people forgotten that if you don't like a instance, you can just move to another one?

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 weeks ago

Migration as a first choice is rash.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's really not. The whole purpose of federation is that you can just go to whatever instance you like best.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 weeks ago

Migration as a sub is rash since it involves moving a community of people.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But it doesn't? I moved from .world to .ml last year but I can still go to .world communities to argue with people, just like before. Migration actually should be the first choice.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 weeks ago

This isn't regarding a user, but where a community is being hosted.

Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?

What happens to the community's data, since it won't get carried over?

What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?

For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people's gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?

Depends on where they move, doesn't it? Obviously if a community moves to hexbear then .world users won't be able to access it (and that's .world's fault). But there's no need to do that? They can just move to a federated instance and stay connected.

What happens to the community’s data, since it won’t get carried over?

Does anything have to happen to that data? Why not just leave it behind as a record? I guess they could go through the effort of using a bot to repost everything in the new community if they wanted to preserve everything and not leave it on the old instance.

What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?

Pick a good instance and it won't happen.

.world was always shit, anyone could have seen this coming. It's always just been a reddit instance.

For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people’s gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.

Again, the whole point of federation is that we don't cut all ties. It's not like moving communities requires defederating from .world

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on where they move, doesn't it?

And that requires a lot of coordination, both with the user base to make sure the jump goes well for them and probably with the admins of the instance they are jumping to in order to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Pick a good instance and it won't happen.

Up until a week ago, .world was acceptable. Then it wasn't. People change and communities change. Without an attempt to even discuss policy, this is going to become a major problem that keeps growing.

Why not just leave it behind as a record?

Why would one instance keep the data from a group of people that left and whose community is now locked? Or maybe the admins give mod privileges to a different set of mods and now you've got two competing groups.

Again, the whole point of federation is that we don't cut all ties

A community is intentionally destroying itself to make a new one somewhere else. That's a larger impact than you are making it out to be.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And that requires a lot of coordination, both with the user base to make sure the jump goes well for them and probably with the admins of the instance they are jumping to in order to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

A community is intentionally destroying itself to make a new one somewhere else. That’s a larger impact than you are making it out to be.

That speaks more to a lack of community, doesn't it? If it's an actual community then it should be possible to get a message out to everyone that they're moving and make sure no one gets lost. If they can't coordinate without destroying themselves then I think this is a deeper problem that we need to address.

Up until a week ago, .world was acceptable.

The signs were there. I think it is possible to understand who the admins are, what they believe, and what kind of community they are trying to build. The .world instance was always meant to be a reddit clone. That should have been a red flag.

This, too, speaks to a lack of community. How can you call it community if you don't even know who your admins are?

Why would one instance keep the data from a group of people that left and whose community is now locked? Or maybe the admins give mod privileges to a different set of mods and now you’ve got two competing groups.

Fair. I guess my idea of using a bot to migrate all the content is the other option, but I don't know if a tool like that exists. This, along with the lack of true community, are things for us to think about for the future.

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[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

From the announcement in question:

Some communities will receive an immediate notice with a link to this new policy. The most egregious communities will comply, or their moderators will be removed from those communities.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing like a good power trip from the admins. Even if mods are power tripping people can make a new community. This was a bad response by admins, they bowed to only the most vocal minority. Vast majority of people have been fine with the moderation on .world. only classy thing to do is to take it back and play it off like it was a trial run that didn't work out

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well, time to make my alt community account my primary one. See y'all on the other side!

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I make them perna ban me first. Fuck them.

But yeah. Gtfo, and be carful, if the world is flat that means it has an edge.

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