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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

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[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 4 months ago

Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:

edited Gru with an uncanny smile

[-] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)

Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute

I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination

[-] Cycle0861@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I know. I'm here and I don't even know what they're talking about, much less my friends. I suppose it's Loop? But a quick search in app store brings up nothing

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

The fediverse and the decentralised web has a long way to go and need to learn a thing or two about UX unless it wants to join the plight of Linux distros.

[-] Sergio@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

FWIW Pixelfed's been growing like crazy the last couple days

Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats

edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public

[-] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.

Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

Okay, well I have impulses to go and get drunk, do hard drugs, and attempt to sleep with random women. None of those things are close to a good idea for me.

Just because you feel drawn to something or a type of thing does not make it healthy or a good idea for that person. Taking desires and expressing them in a healthy way is important, desires dont just disappear.

[-] TeraByteMarx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

It's fascinating how Lemmy users view internet consumption habits as a reflection of personal ethics. You can't always hold other people to the standards you've achieved. Using and navigating Lemmy takes effort insight that the majority just don't have. Being alive also takes effort and can be very painful. Sometimes people just need to be able to turn off and zone out. Try not to place value judgements on the ways that other people do that.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

We aren't smarter for being here, we just are loners who didnt care who would be here. I think its important for everyone to open up more to strangers especially in multinational spaces. We saw a lot of interesting conversation for the brief time people moved from tiktok to rednote, and that type of stuff dispels misinformation better than anything. You are treating it as a personal thing but it is a social tool for a community.

[-] lemonSqueezy@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

The fediverse as a whole has missed a huge opportunity here. I never see anyone talking about it as alternatives to twitter or tiktok, only bluesky and rednote. AFAIK we have no alternative to tik-tok that is viable right now, so I don't know why anyone thought we could manage that one.

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[-] Whateley@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago

I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise

Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Xitter* (x pronounced sh style)

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[-] hector@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)

People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.

If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.

It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.

No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.

[-] Rooty@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't want TikTokers on the Fediverse, thankyouverymuch.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 0 points 4 months ago

You can't put videos on pixelfed, right? That unfortunately means it's not a competitive platform. Video is what people seem to want.

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You can. Your instance just needs to up the max size or turn it on.

Example from someone who only has one video as the sample content. https://pixelfed.social/p/Sarahschannel/785335877987047968

[-] trailnotfound@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

This is exactly the kind of barrier to entry that keeps people out. You need to pick an instance to sign up, but may not even understand their differences or limitations until you sign up. It's mind blowing to see people act like this doesn't severely limit adoption.

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

People were sarcastically making the comment about sharing their data with the Chinese government. AFAIK there has been zero evidence that this had been happening in the first place.

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[-] Rolder@reddthat.com 0 points 4 months ago

They want a platform that isn’t controlled by oligarchs yet they go to a platform that is controlled by the CCP, interesting

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago

I mean the CCP isn't an oligarchy; it's an old school dictatorship.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

You have been site-banned from .ml

[-] watty@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.

Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.

Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

id rather learn Mandarin than Linux

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problem

[-] amon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Loops by Pixelfed

IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You're not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.

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