I think regulation would be the proper course of action, here. I mean neither do we ban American cars in Europe. We just say they have to play by our rules or they can't do business here. So I wouldn't support a ban based on country of origin. But regulation what they can and can not do.
How do you regulate closed-source code to be free from back doors for spying and sabotage, and black-box feed shaping algorithms to not have bias and censorship for mass manipulation?
Don't rely on enemy services in a cold war, no matter how much they seem to follow your regulations.
I think that works like all other regulations. Like for example food, chicken, cars and machinery. You take samples and check them. Or have a court decide to have a look at the paperwork... If anything looks fishy or people get harmed... Investigate. And we have investigators and experts in domains available. It's fairly easy to do. And decisions regularly rely on expert opinion...
And I don't view myself as the enemy in a cold war. I'm opposed to the current administration of the USA. But that's pretty much it. I'm not necessarily in active combat against the economy... Well... I am against privacy invading platforms. But because they invade privacy, and not because they are from a certain country.
No. That wouldn't solve anything. What is needed are very harsh punishments for companies abusing their power / position, instead of the slap on the wrist they currently are.
No, because regulation works; or can work. We can require them to follow our laws because they're invested in our market too.
There are regular fines for GDPR violations for example; it just feels like our checks and fines need to happen faster and harder.
China regulates their platforms like TikTok differently in their own country than outside. We can require the same.
How do you regulate closed-source code to be free from back doors for spying and sabotage, and black-box feed shaping algorithms to not have bias and shadow-censorship for mass manipulation?
Don't rely on enemy services in a cold war, no matter how much they seem to follow your regulations.
black-box feed shaping algorithms
Recent EU legislation already requires insight into feed algorithms. They're not allowed to be black-box on huge platforms.
Back-doors is another issue, but depending on the kind of personal data, EU legislation already requires separation and different levels of protection.
If data being sent to the US can not be considered safe, it can not be transferred without explicit and informed consent. US firms create EU firms to have regional legal entities. They can store private data locally, within the EU.
1.Provide a code that's not the one running
2.Then commit to use the code you provided
3.Change the code back again right after the investigation stops.
With all delays you can legally add to the process, by the time, you've helped electing enough neo-fascists around, who all rely on you, to shut down the whole case.
I probably still wouldnt support banning any specific social media, or social media from a specific country. What needs to happen is some fucking regulation for algorithms, moderation, hate speech and misinformation. And then you can ban any social media that doesnt comply
No. But a ban on algorithms would be nice.
Allow me to take some worry away: Pornhub is canadian.
I can't really get away from a 'benevolent dictator' mindset on this, I support good things and don't support bad things. Good and bad being defined be me alone. X and Meta feel like bad things to me so away they go. So the following feels like post hoc justification of the above, right?
I oppose oligarchy, X and Meta are products of oligarchs and as such wouldn't oppose their ban.
I believe censorship is harmful to civilization.
So you support the ban
No?
Do you believe the government should intervene if a popular fast food chain started adding lead paint to their special sauce? Or would that be overstepping?
Libertarians have no concept of how the real world works. But more amusingly, they seem to be unaware that the vast, vast, vast majority of the world doesn't want what they're selling. And with all of their talk of not wanting to force things on people, they sure seem happy to force their own ideals on them. See the town they took over in New Hampshire by moving there en masse to force libertarianism, The town where they decided to end trash pickup and then the bears took over.
I am American so I can't really answer but what would count as American social media?
I feel like it would be most large social network sites and an unpredictable amount of smaller ones
No, but that's not to say I wouldn't be delighted to see Xitter and Meta burn. Ultimately, though, we need laws that require transparency and impartiality on the part of the owners, similar to the rules we have for television news outlets, and those rules need enforcing in no uncertain terms. It doesn't matter, then, if the service is native or foreign.
Well, EU is not a country, but yeah, they should either comply with our rules (which currently neither one of them does), or get fucked out of here.
I hope some local, ActivityPub based service would appear in the vacuum.
everything except skype and mabye YouTube
Americans can't want social media banned too?
I'd tolerate it, but not support it. Forcefully taking them away gains these platforms even more support and demand. Only when people seek for alternatives or a change on their own, we can solve the problems.
No. How much shit do we need to ban before you dumb fucks understand prohibition never fucking works and only fuels more crime.
Two points:
Fuck no. The Americans provide 90% of our entertainment and they're actually fun people to interact with and chat with (the ones that aren't wearing MAGA hats that is). What am I gonna go without Americans on social media? Talk about fucking Table Mountain? Join the Europeans in looking down on the USA for everything and always acting like their own shit doesn't stink?
Fuck that, I'd start using VPNs.
They can join us on non-American social media.
Absolutely not. I'll rather choose for myself which content I consume than have the government choose it for me.
no, i support an open internet. censorship is stupid and generally easily worked around. which usually leads to an escalation to make it more and more difficult, until you have chinese-style internet.
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