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EU absolutely is a country.

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[-] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

No. That wouldn't solve anything. What is needed are very harsh punishments for companies abusing their power / position, instead of the slap on the wrist they currently are.

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[-] guy@piefed.social 2 points 4 weeks ago

No. But a ban on algorithms would be nice.

[-] Rednax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Allow me to take some worry away: Pornhub is canadian.

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[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 4 weeks ago

No, because regulation works; or can work. We can require them to follow our laws because they're invested in our market too.

There are regular fines for GDPR violations for example; it just feels like our checks and fines need to happen faster and harder.

China regulates their platforms like TikTok differently in their own country than outside. We can require the same.

[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

How do you regulate closed-source code to be free from back doors for spying and sabotage, and black-box feed shaping algorithms to not have bias and shadow-censorship for mass manipulation?

Don't rely on enemy services in a cold war, no matter how much they seem to follow your regulations.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

black-box feed shaping algorithms

Recent EU legislation already requires insight into feed algorithms. They're not allowed to be black-box on huge platforms.

Back-doors is another issue, but depending on the kind of personal data, EU legislation already requires separation and different levels of protection.

If data being sent to the US can not be considered safe, it can not be transferred without explicit and informed consent. US firms create EU firms to have regional legal entities. They can store private data locally, within the EU.

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

1.Provide a code that's not the one running

2.Then commit to use the code you provided

3.Change the code back again right after the investigation stops.

With all delays you can legally add to the process, by the time, you've helped electing enough neo-fascists around, who all rely on you, to shut down the whole case.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago

For one, you can make it illegal for them to be a "black-box" in the first place

[-] highduc@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

That would still leave social media in the hands of foreign corporations. I'd prefer stuff like Lemmy and Mastodon.

[-] vodkasolution@feddit.it 1 points 3 weeks ago

Tons of bots here would have the same impact

[-] comalnik@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I probably still wouldnt support banning any specific social media, or social media from a specific country. What needs to happen is some fucking regulation for algorithms, moderation, hate speech and misinformation. And then you can ban any social media that doesnt comply

[-] Toes@ani.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

I believe censorship is harmful to civilization.

[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Toes@ani.social 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Do you believe the government should intervene if a popular fast food chain started adding lead paint to their special sauce? Or would that be overstepping?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Libertarians have no concept of how the real world works. But more amusingly, they seem to be unaware that the vast, vast, vast majority of the world doesn't want what they're selling. And with all of their talk of not wanting to force things on people, they sure seem happy to force their own ideals on them. See the town they took over in New Hampshire by moving there en masse to force libertarianism, The town where they decided to end trash pickup and then the bears took over.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling

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[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 1 points 4 weeks ago

I am American so I can't really answer but what would count as American social media?

I feel like it would be most large social network sites and an unpredictable amount of smaller ones

[-] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

I can't really get away from a 'benevolent dictator' mindset on this, I support good things and don't support bad things. Good and bad being defined be me alone. X and Meta feel like bad things to me so away they go. So the following feels like post hoc justification of the above, right?

I oppose oligarchy, X and Meta are products of oligarchs and as such wouldn't oppose their ban.

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[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago

No, but that's not to say I wouldn't be delighted to see Xitter and Meta burn. Ultimately, though, we need laws that require transparency and impartiality on the part of the owners, similar to the rules we have for television news outlets, and those rules need enforcing in no uncertain terms. It doesn't matter, then, if the service is native or foreign.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Well, EU is not a country, but yeah, they should either comply with our rules (which currently neither one of them does), or get fucked out of here.

I hope some local, ActivityPub based service would appear in the vacuum.

everything except skype and mabye YouTube

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Americans can't want social media banned too?

[-] TheV2@programming.dev 0 points 4 weeks ago

I'd tolerate it, but not support it. Forcefully taking them away gains these platforms even more support and demand. Only when people seek for alternatives or a change on their own, we can solve the problems.

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[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes. Current oligarch-owned USA considers Europe an enemy because of its liberal and leftist values. Look how they've already turned us, famously allergic to fascism, towards fascism once again.

We can't rely on enemy services in a cold war. We can't review closed-source code to be free from back doors for spying and sabotage, or black-box feed shaping algorithms to not have bias and shadow-censorship for mass manipulation.

EU must ban all US-made smart products for its own safety. All closed-source software and electronics that can be used for strategic manipulation and sabotage – Google, Apple, Amazon, all of it.

They are in every European citizen's pockets, desktops, and server rooms. They know way too much about us, and have every opportunity to manipulate us:

  • Make the most intelligent people never stumble upon important information on search engines and social media.
  • Make the most compatible people never meet each other on dating sites.
  • Make the most valuable people never find career-making jobs on work-centered social media.
    '

Black box recommendation algorithms in the control of one country enables the slow, strategic destruction of Europe by trillions of unnoticeable manipulations. CIA has done this shit before, and now it's being given more power than ever to do so.

China banned that shit, and China has been successful partly for its detachment from US far-right propaganda. They have also made subtle mass-manipulation difficult by making their own services.

We have functional, clunky open-source software that could easily be fitted for any purpose with the money we waste propping up foreign monopolies sabotaging us. Europe has taken a huge risk. I suspect bribery.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

I agree with everything you said except this bit:

China banned that shit, and China has been successful partly for its detachment from US far-right propaganda.

China loves US far right propaganda, the amount of Chinese people reeeeing about DEI or wokeism or the LGBTs, and fellating the South African Nazi who inherited wealth from an apartheid labour emerald mine and (for some reason, still) J. Lopsterson is kind boggling.

The common view in China is that the US is too progressive and needs to clamp down on minority rights and immigration... The mind boggles.

But yes, also fully fuck US social media and tech monopolies.

But the EU had taken risks so far as we think when push comes to shove we'll be on the same side as the US, ignoring that the US still seems to think realpolitik is an appropriate course of action. Never trust a realpoliker to have your back.

[-] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Yes. I've already started replacing everything I can with Europe- or Japan- or Korea-made stuff. We have to learn to be self-sufficient and vigilant. Latest was my decision to ditch stability.ai, which is anyway the most horrendous collection of dark patterns I've ever seen, with dezgo.com , which is French and as transparent as can be.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 0 points 4 weeks ago

I am actively avoiding US social media accounts, blocking US politics channels and stepping away from a number of US-based services altogether.

If the government doesn't do it, I'll do as much of it as I can. Voting with your wallet is some US anarchocapitalist nonsense, but if my disgust removes incentives I'll take it as a side benefit.

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