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[-] Euro@lemmy.world 105 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Email, as far as im aware there isn't some alternative email standard (messaging services, whatsapp, signal, sms, etc do not count imo as I believe they serve a different purpose than email)

DNS, while there are alternative root servers, they still fundamentally rely on the dns protocol.

TCP/IP, when the internet was first starting, this was not the only standard in use, but now it is (to my knowledge).

I thought about this for longer than I should've for a comment on a random post, but this is all I could think of lol.

edit: grammar

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 weeks ago

TCP/IP isnt the only standard in use even today. UDP/IP is the other big one and there's a few smaller protocols hanging around like utp.

[-] Euro@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, I shouldve been more clear. I didnt just mean tcp specifically, I meant IP as a whole, for an example of a competing standard see x.25.

Funny enough, that wikipedia article mentions that x.25 is still in use by the aviation industry, and after a quick search it seems it is! So I guess Im still wrong lol.

[-] dave@feddit.uk 10 points 3 weeks ago

You can probably throw Ethernet in there as well then, unless there’s anyone out there rocking a Lemmy instance on token ring…

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

I remember token ring settings in our family Mac in the early 90s. We eventually got broadband and my carpenter dad wired the house for Ethernet in around 98. He was cool dad at the time and way more tech savvy than anyone expected.

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[-] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ipv4 vs ipv6 🫠

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[-] pipe01@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago

TCP/IP is not the same as TCP, and UDP/IP doesn't exist

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[-] jimmux@programming.dev 63 points 3 weeks ago

Toilet paper rolls.

Somehow we settled on a pretty good size for toilet rolls, and there never seems to be a compatibility issue with holders.

At least not for households. Commercial products have their own things going on, but it doesn't affect most people.

Is there a formal standard, or did we decide not to mess with good enough?

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

We've got a 100 year old toilet roll holder, the spindle was turned on a lathe and the wooden cutout it sits in was hand carved. It is a poor fit for modern high sheet count rolls. We can't stand to get rid of it so we just leave the roll outside of it until it is small enough to fit.

[-] lemming741@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I have a half-bath with a modern holder. When that roll is 75% consumed, I move it to the bathrooms with the older style.

[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

I like how you roll.

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is a cool one I haven't thought of before!

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 63 points 4 weeks ago

USB has worked pretty well IMO

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 64 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah just don’t pay too close attention to the unofficial power delivery protocols.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 4 weeks ago

or the cursed double ended USB-A cables

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 35 points 4 weeks ago

My main complaint about USB is the cables. There’s no way of knowing what standards and data speeds the cable may support.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They've now, at least, released a standard set of markings. Basically, the data speed in Gb and the power capacity in Watts will be printed on the connector. Whether chinese suppliers will bother complying is another matter.

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[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 weeks ago

"looks inside" meme with the "oh. oh no" meme spliced onto the end

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

USB , mini USB, type C USB, iphone bs, do those not count?

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

Not compared to what we had before usb

It used to be 100% proprietary for everything

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[-] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 51 points 4 weeks ago

The way I see it, it's not so much an issue of making something that's better than the other standards. It's really about getting your standard into actual use and hitting critical mass which makes all the other standards irrelevant.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

see also: NACS (yep that's a Tesla plug in a standards agreement)

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[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 50 points 4 weeks ago

When the standard is a big interoperability push that leverages MORE functionality as a bribe to be implemented.

This is how USB (plug & play!), Bluetooth (wireless headset!), HDMI (high def, single cable!) , and USB-C (both sides are good!) all beat the entrenched pseudo standards.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can avoid the issue when a government just mandates one standard, ideally after consulting with experts on which is the best.
See: USB, SCART, etc.

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of people seem to be opposed to this argument, seeing it as a kind of government overreach, but I think it can work if done correctly. Things like USB and HDMI are already governed by collectives of companies, I think having the government work together with them can be beneficial for both consumers and producers alike.

obligatory DisplayPort > HDMI

[-] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

Cries in CEC.

[-] ___@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

Sometimes the regulators sit back and see how the market is pushing, then regulate it to reduce waste. EV chargers for example.

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[-] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

1000006617

There are many, I think. Like what other people have mentioned, sometimes the new standard is just better on all metrics.

Another common example is when someone creates something as a passion project, rather than expecting it to get used widely. It's especially frustrating for me when I see people denigrate projects like those, criticizing it for a lack of practicality...

[-] lengau@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

The competing standards problem is mostly a problem of not actually talking to stakeholders. Most of these "universal standards" don't cover some rare, specific, but very important, use cases.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

Whenever the new standard hits the almost impossible golden triangle of "cheap, reliable, and fast".

It's gotta be cheaper than the alternatives, better and more reliable than the alternatives, and faster/easier to adopt than the alternatives.

Early computers for example had various ways to chug math, such as mechanical setups, relays, vacuum tube's, etc.

When Bell invented their MOSFET transistor and figured out how to scale production, all those previous methods became obsolete for computers because transistors were now cheaper, more reliable, and faster to adopt than their predecessors.

Tbf though transistors are more of a hardware thing. A better example of a standard would be RIP being superceded by BGP on the internet.

Tbf though transistors are more of a hardware thing. A better example of a standard would be RIP being superceded by BGP on the internet.

another big example is the telecom companies being superseded by IP based networking, rather than whatever patch routing bullshit was previously cooked up.

Sometimes certain solutions are just, better.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

MIDI.

Before the 80's, there was no standard interface to control electronic instruments, just a bunch of proprietary interfaces unique to each manufacterer. But in 1983, amazingly they actually standardized on MIDI, and it remains a useful standard to this day, with any new versions of MIDI being completely backwards compatible, so your Yamaha DX7 from the 80's is still just as viable to use today as the day it was new!

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[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago

Light bulb sockets are the same all over. RJ-45 Ethernet, USB-C, Bluetooth, WiFi, TCP, HTTP, HTML, CSS.

[-] eluvatar@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

Include car cigarette lighter power ports

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[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Networking standards started picking winners during the PC revolution of the 80's and 90's. Ethernet, with the first standards announced in 1983, ended up beating out pretty much other LAN standard at the physical layer (physical plugs, voltages and other ways of indicating signals) and the data link layer (the structure of a MAC address or an Ethernet frame). And this series of standards been improved many times over, with meta standards about how to deal with so many generations of standards through autonegotiation and backwards compatibility.

We generally expect Ethernet to just work, at the highest speeds the hardware is capable of supporting.

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[-] moakley@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Not exactly this, but it reminds me of my first job. I used to work in finance, and I was given the task of automating cash flow reports that were sent out to hundreds of clients.

The problem was that they were made manually in Excel, and most of them were unique. So every couple years they'd get a bunch of smart people in a conference room, and tell them to figure out how to automate the cash flows. The first step was always to create a standard cash flow template, and convince everyone to adopt it.

Some users would adopt the new template, but most of them would say that the client didn't like it, so they'd stop using it and the project would fall apart.

By the time I got there, there were still hundreds of unique cash flows, but then there were a few dozen that shared the same handful of templates, like a graveyard of failed attempts to automate this process.

I just made the output customizable. The reports looked the same as what the client was used to, but it saved hundreds of man hours for the users. A lot of people got laid off.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

For home automation, Matter/Thread has the potential. We’ll see over the next five years, but yes market forces can make a new standard work

Reasons I’m hopeful

  • this is the first time major companies are involved: Apple, Google, Amazon agree
  • first time home automation hubs “just happen”, with the millions of people who have Echo, Google Home, Apple devices
  • small companies that dominate home automation seem to realize the problem of the market can’t reasonably expand without interoperability and ease of use

Matter/Thread is the new kid on the block. Will it be yet another home automation standard, or will it gradually replace the previous ones? We’ll see.

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[-] Obelix@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago

There are a lot and in most cases you'll notice when dealing with Americans, who are refusing to do stuff like the rest of the world. The meter and kilogram took over from hundreds of different measurement standards. Most of the world is using the same calendar and writes dates in the same way. Most countries are driving on the same side. Traffic signs are kind of the same worldwide. You can buy screws with the same standard everywhere.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago

I see this one quoted a lot when discussing Lemmy communities migration/consolidation/split.

I don't think it really works that well for forums. Some communities have clearly taken over others (see !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone vs !196@lemmy.world recently). It's not standards competing, it's people going where the activity happens.

[-] Toes@ani.social 12 points 4 weeks ago

Chess, there's so many wonderful ways to play.

[-] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Also, playing cards. Every casino and basement house party uses the same 52 card deck. It's sold in airports all over the world.

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[-] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago

It just needs a good text editor, is all.

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[-] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Small net protocols like Gemini, gopher, spartan, IPFS because they don't compete with the web instead they coexist as separate things.

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