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[-] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

TL;DR: this isn't stupidity unraveling. It's the Oligarchic takeover of academia and science

It's cute that the post assumes ignorance. We are way past the Hanlon's razor phase. Cutting indirects is a way to punch $10-100M holes into elite universities' budgets overnight, sow fear and render them financially vulnerable. The prestigious universities will be bailed out by private donations and boom, you have an unprecedented scale of oligarchic influence of leading academic institutions and academic research.

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

It's the same playbook that they used for public schools, strip funding, let the school flounder, then they'll start asking "well what have these universities contributed lately? Why should we fund their research when they haven't discovered anything recently?"

The only colleges that will stay standing will be the networking hubs for their rich sons to plot the best ways to ~~exploit the working class~~ get business and economics degrees.

[-] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

yup. Ironically, NIH grants lead to quite tangible discoveries, and institutions with the highest indirects (overhead funding) usually have proportionally higher rate of major discoveries. So the original poster isn't wrong about this hamstringing US biomedical research. On another thread someone proposed that Canada should have a grant-buyout brain drain program for refugees from US academia. It was actually a pretty smart one. The EU could also bank on this.

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I've heard rumblings of foreign countries already offering deals to phds in the US.

[-] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

yup. the US will taste its own medicine with brain drain

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Even worse... They're going to celebrate it.

Deny university funding, dismantle the department of education, religious schools become the only institutions that can survive, government funnels money into the "best" educational choice...

I see where this is going & I hate it already.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 18 points 1 week ago

We really need to study why people believe conservative when they lie but disbelieve them when they tell the truth.

"Because HER EMAIL! LOCK HER UP!"

"Btw, prosecution against a political opponent is a witchhunt... FREE TRUMP!"

"BACK THE BLUE"

"Also, FUCK THE POLICE at the capitol building on Jan 6"

🙄

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Leaded water, brain injuries, or education that teaches them 1+1=3

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Because the leopards hunger for your face, you dangerous intellectual.

Anti-intellectualism was fine with this well-educated moron - supported by him, even - until it affected him, it would seem.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I struggle to refer to these people as intellectuals considering these people have multiple certificates to show but otherwise they do fuckall with their brain.

[-] shani66@ani.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've recently seen them referred to as midwits. People just dangerous though to cause severe harm. Personally i think that's giving them too much credit, these days I'm inclined to believe there is no job you couldn't train a monkey to do and these monkeys were just persistent enough to be trained.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago

Not any job, but yeah, most jobs require persistence more than smarts. Sure, being smart helps, but it's not required at all.

[-] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sophomores. Wise fools.

The living demonstration of the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ah the defining characteristic of the conservative, an absolute vaccuum of empathy

I really cannot fathom how anyone that has been paying the slightest bit of attention to anything they've been doing during their PhD could vote for Trump and his fascists.

They were very clear what they were going to do and that included cutting this support.

It's a huge assault on the sciences and Trump being in power and acting as king has already been impacting American researchers in hard sciences to the point where papers on physics and chemistry that are under peer review are requested by authors (and in some cases journals that should be investigated by COPE) to be substantially changed.

The censorship is incredibly wide ranging and these idiot PhDs don't seem to have woken up yet to how bad it is.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

As a PhD student you'd be surprised at how many stupid people are in here. I've heard of people talking about using holy water in mouse before experimenting because they are "possessed by devil", people talking about how "I'm a liberal but female president isn't going to be strong enough for our country" to their female colleagues, talked with people who told " they[gay people] should just get help" to a gay colleague because her bible says being gay is a sin, those are just extra fun examples, there's a lot more in daily life that after joining PhD I've become a lot skeptic of any research or paper people cite for something. Because lot's of people just write sentences first then search for papers that agrees, instead of doing actual literature review and learning about diverse view on the matter.

I'm not surprised sadly - I have a PhD in chemistry and then continued to a postdoc and teaching before heading elsewhere. During my undergraduate there was a woman on the course who was very good and very competent but was also evangelical to the point of believing in a young Earth. To her, concepts such as half-lives were just lies that needed to be learnt.

Normally that has been flushed out by the time of doing a PhD, but if not it really should be.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

How can any of her outcomes be trusted for veracity if she doesn't agree with the material assumptions?

They're poisoning the well by allowing her to stay.

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[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

TBF not all conservatives voted for trump.

Kinda totally past the point of caring about that distinction tbh. We're seeing where conservatism leads and it's abhorrent for anyone with a mild sense of decency that cares a shred about science and a world with even a hint of equality and acceptance.

[-] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 1 week ago

A lot of posts to that subreddit are thinly veiled cosplay to get conservatives to question their cult.

They usually slip in during the first few hours/weeks of a new Trump disaster before their mods/subscribers have a chance to review marching orders from Fox and start removing/downvoting accordingly.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 8 points 1 week ago

A conservative scientist, that's a new one for me. It feels like an oxymoron.

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's like the doctors and nurses who are antivax they are not oxymorons, they are fucking morons

[-] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

I still remember working for a medical office during the beginning of COVID and seeing MULTIPLE SURGEONS wear shit like masks that say "this mask does nothing", which makes me question their credentials or the crackerjack box they got their doctorate from.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Always figured surgeons are just really well educated mechanics, and don’t necessarily need to grasp the biology in the same way chemists and internal medicine practitioners might.

[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah I think it’s very interesting that doctors and surgeons follow so much of the same curriculum, when they actually need completely different skill sets.

[-] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

y interesting that doctors and surgeons follow so much of the same curriculum, when they actually need completely different skill sets.

it's the Anglo-Saxon way of distinguishing doctors and surgeons. Everybody else consider all surgeons doctors. Officially. The germanic way is to divide it to surgical medicine and conservative medicine (as in practicing medicine while conserving the integrity of bodily barriers).

That said, my favorite response from the surgical instructors in med school when we told them we don't want to be surgeons: "Ohh, so you wanna be an intellectual?!"

Still cracks me up.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Just a regular moron.

Or a homophobe/racist.

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[-] bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I have a PhD, I work in biotech and have been working on obtaining state and federal grants with University Minnesota. Indirects are like 55-60% for land grant institutions that don't have to pay for the property they operate on, additionally they have nearly 40k undergrads paying 17-38k a year in tuition. So the scope of the research and the staff we can budget for comes from the 40-45% remaining, this includes funding techs, post docs, and the personnel that directly run the projects.

No I didn't vote for these fools, and exponentially more damage than good is coming, and I'm good friends with postdocs who are getting screwed in real time by this nonsense.

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We do not get rich off of research. We are very educated and could make more in things like medical specialties. We do it to help others. This is not profit. This is not theft. It saves lives. It creates drugs, therapies, treatments, and cures.

You mean in a commie way? /s

[-] landothedead@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago

Nobody ask industry how much they crib (read: steal) from publically funded research.

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[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 3 points 1 week ago

We discussed it thoroughly when they laid out the plan to dismantle the country and make it a dictatorship hyper capitalist stigh. You chose that option, presumably because so many are uneducated swines and future billionaires

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

OP:

This is not money wasted. If they want to lower it, it needs to be done gradually to give universities time to adjust.

What exactly about the orange blob made you think he would have a carefully measured plan to do literally ANYthing?

These people are so fucking delusional-- they hear and see exactly what they want. Check out this galaxy brain:

One of the things they are doing is identifying waste. I'm sure if enough researchers make a racket about this specific thing it will get attention.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. Dumpy responds so well to listening to what the plebes want. He'll get right on fixing a problem he created just as soon as he gets off the golf course. Aaaaany day now...

[-] dr-robot@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

In all honesty though, 60%+ overheads from a university is incredibly high. To an extent that shows that there is a large amount of management and administrative staff not contributing directly to the work. I'm not in medicine, but in the EU projects I'm in only 0-25% of overheads are funded. Though, I can imagine medicine requiring more than the hard sciences.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

60%+ is what it takes to lease buildings and pay salaries in NYC, Boston, SF, LA, etc. So, are you okay with wrecking science in those cities?

Have you any concept of how many people would be suffering or dead if Boston’s scientists were flipping burgers instead of making discoveries?

1st pig organ transplant. 1st anesthesia. 1st live donor organ transplant. GLP1 agonists. Enbrel. Gene editing. Human genome. All out of Boston. Off the top of my head.

[-] sus@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Leases would show as zero on the balance sheet if the government owned their own buildings. But of course someone decided that was "against the free market" so now the government cannot own anything in the name of "efficiency"

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

60% makes sense when you consider something like LIGO, or other real-estate heavy physics experimentation grounds, like a neutrino detector.

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