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European officials are preparing a multibillion-dollar defense package to bolster regional security and support Ukraine, announced by German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock at the Munich Security Conference.

The package, potentially valued up to 700 billion euros, will fund military training, arms deliveries, and security guarantees amid concerns over Russian aggression and diminishing U.S. contributions to NATO.

The move follows calls for Europe to boost its own defense spending while U.S.-Russian talks, which exclude Ukraine and Europe, on ending the Ukraine conflict continue.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 112 points 5 months ago

Thank you, Europe. God, let this be what Ukraine needs.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

They also need to cut the US out of any involvement in Ukraine

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago

This is also what Europe needs. Europe needs to seriously increase their domestic military manufacturing capabilities now that the US has proven they can't be trusted.

If this money is invested in European military industries then they will need to considerably ramp up their production and overall it will strengthen European military power.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago

This is the best thing about a Donald Trump presidency: sometimes good things happen by accident, and it's definitely a good thing for the EU to be depending less on the US.

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[-] EndofLife@feddit.org 49 points 5 months ago

Don't forget to save some for the war against America.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

It's the same investment fund. I assume that's the main reason for it's existence. Donald Trump and his MAGA baffoons are driving America in the ground faster than a plane during his administration. They need to be ready and they will fight unlike many cowards here.

Numbers are growing in the U.S. but the time needed is also fighting the time that his administration devours media sources and telecommunication systems. Surveillance today is near insurmountable, but not yet

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago

Eh, America would ally itself with Russia anyways. Might as well invest into weakening the Eastern front first.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago

We (EU) should have unleashed our defense industry 3 years ago. Hopefully, the US MIC received the message, their profits are going to sink unless the orange turd starts to provide military aid to fucking Russia.

[-] archonet@lemy.lol 15 points 5 months ago

considering the meeting that just took place in Saudi Arabia, I fear that is entirely possible.

[-] leftover@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

I am an American and I am willing to endure the pain caused by the rest of the world telling our orange turd to fuck off. Please do it. Please make it so incredibly painful that even those who love Orange Turd will start to smell it and reject it. Make it sooo sooo bitter!

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[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's a bit premature to announce this, but yes VonderLeyen has announced the preparation of a defense package of approx. 700 B via this legal fiscal venue. Together with the EU Competitiveness Compass plan at around a minimum of 750 B, they will likely be aimed to reinforce each other. In addition, other parallel plans are being prepared, pending current developments.

added: Context: EU defense is now at 326 B in 2024 (consilium EU). Though Europe also includes UK and other countries ofcourse.

This newly announced extra package is like a minimum extra budget.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don't sigh before any papers are signed, but...

...while they may get stuck for a while passing a measure of this volume (or someone will need to lure Orban out of the room while others push buttons) - the volume is doable.

For comparison, the NextGenerationEU budget allocation (spent in a dozen ways) to help countries recover from COVID damage) was worth 2 trillion euros, and it was possible to pass.

The actual part? Probably multipronged:

  • supercharging EU and Ukrainian arms industries, especially ones that can be expanded fast (drones)
  • reducing formalities that need to be followed
  • buying the weapons some members have in reserve for a Russian attack (because some do)
  • buying the weapons Turkey and Greece have in reserve for each other
  • subsequently, raking the global market (including the US) for weapons that come loose for money
  • allowing Ukraine to pay really attractive salaries to its own soldiers and foreign soldiers

P.S. And jokingly - buying all the optical fiber available in South-East Asia.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago

Finally Ukraine is getting the help they need! Kick out Russia once and for all!

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Finally Ukraine is getting the help they need!

This might actually be the silver lining of it all.

There has been an uncomfortable disparity between words of support and actual support. I heard many times that the ultimate goal the Pentagon wants to achieve is Russia not losing the war. Out of (comprehensible) fear a falling dictator might throw a last Tantrum235. Germany has also been firmly sitting on the brakes from the start. Remember 5000 helmets? And the (for some Ukrainians literally) gut-tearing discussions at each and every step, wether this is Putins red line, or that is Putins red line, wether this or that might escalate the war, all while Putin escalates the war.

Now that the DSA have kissed themselves goodbye, Europe seems to finally realize what's at stake and oops they can do something about it. So there is hope Germany might get it's fat ass off the track. There is even talk about Germany taking a leadership role, though given the context, this must be dark humour. Gotta love that.

Fingers crossed Europe unites in action and Ukraine is getting the help they need! Doing otherwise would send a strong signal to the new Imperialists in east and west that you can pick and chew at our borders, be it the Baltics or Greenland.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Germany has also been firmly sitting on the brakes from the start. Remember 5000 helmets?

Remember how it took like two days to overturn 70 years of precedence of "no weapons delivery into crisis regions"? Without us actually having a debate about it because there was an overwhelming majority for it from the get-go? Those 5000 helmets were part of the initial "find what we have and what we can legally send" order, which then arrived in Ukraine in the same shipment as the first actual weapons.

The, say, tank situation is ambiguous, I don't have enough insider information to actually make a judgement. Either Germany said "only if the US says it's ok" or Germany said "let's put some political pressure on the US to get into the game, to commit". Ultimately, Germany shipped everything but Taurus. I think we should -- and much of the parliament agrees. Majority, actually, but not the governing majority so as is tradition parties voted against their own actual position. I guess that it's being held back so something is being held back so that certain peacenik SPD parliamentarians can be assuaged.

So there is hope Germany might get it’s fat ass off the track.

FDP is probably out and with that ideological (instead of merely populist) sentiment against spending money, Black-Green looks quite likely and in case anyone is confused yes the Greens are hawkish AF about this one. The discussions around Yugoslavia turned them from singing kumba ya into liberal interventionists and I haven't heard "olive-green" used as an insult in quite a while.

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[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Most of that money will likely go into expanding the defense industrial base and infrastructure. That includes not just buildings but training and hiring engineers and technicians.

Lots of essential things in NATO are run by USA. Airlift capability is a big example. Luckily Ukraine has some serious capability there and cooperation has been done for a long time already. Building an independent intelligence infrastructure, satellites, and so on is a major task as well. Command organization is built around the US and will need to be built as well. Training of Air Force pilots also happens in the US for most European militaries. That means building air bases, infrastructure, hiring and training additional staff, etc. Nuclear weapons and delivery systems are another big concern.

Europe has capabilities in all of this already, but it’s dwarfed by the US.

Europe will likely have to spend double the rumored 700 billion to achieve something credible.

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I know a way to increase the support even more than that:

Donate to u24.gov.ua

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