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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 118 points 3 weeks ago

The cause of Sophie's APD diagnosis is unknown, but her audiologist believes the overuse of noise-cancelling headphones, which Sophie wears for up to five hours a day, could have a part to play.

So fucking stupid...

Kid grew up on a quiet farm in the countryside, then she moved to London and probably 100+ student plus lectures.

It's not that noise cancelling headphones prevented her from developing normally, she developed in an environment like what we evolved to handle.

Then she got thrown into a cacophony of sound that is one of the planets largest/busiest cities...

And they act like she is the problem and not noise pollution?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-024-00642-5

Noise pollution is fucking a lot of us up, and people who grew up with it are used to it, but that doesn't stop the negative consequences of it. Someone that never had to deal with it is obviously going to have what looks like a sudden onset of a condition, but the person is fine.

The environment is the problem.

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

My tolerance of noise and light pollution has gone way the hell down as I have gotten older. I want to live in the woods at this point.

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I feel so lucky, living in the country side where the closest road is 300m away, and the closest neighbour 250m from the house. It gets completely quiet in the summertime due to all the trees surrounding the property. It's heaven on earth in the summer!

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah I keep trying to move to the woods but my wife wants to be around people for some reason lol

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

She is just an example, they say this issue is on the rise in general.

Five NHS audiology departments have told the BBC that there has been an increase in the number of young people referred to them from GPs with hearing issues - only to find their hearing is normal when tested and it is their ability to process sound that is struggling.

APD is more common in neurodivergent people, those who have suffered from a brain injury or had a middle-ear infection as a child. However, more patients with APD are presenting outside of those categories, leaving audiologists to question if external factors, such as noise-cancelling headphones, are contributing.

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[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 112 points 3 weeks ago

The cause of Sophie's APD diagnosis is unknown, but her audiologist believes the overuse of noise-cancelling headphones, which Sophie wears for up to five hours a day, could have a part to play.

Other audiologists agree, saying more research is needed into the potential effects of their prolonged use.

That looks to me like, "audiologists have no bloody clue where this issue is coming from, and are therefore throwing shit at the wall in the hope that something will stick."

[-] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Exactly.

Is she wearing high heels every day? Could be bullshit, but could be related. 🙄

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

that's how science works until you can actually test the hypotheses.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Studying sure. But this is openly speculating to the uninformed masses. Can earphones cause cancer? Unless you can prove they don't, that is a hypothesis that could be tested. But more importantly, it's slop for clickbait bullshit so your aunt can post that to Facebook and feel superior to all the dregs giving themselves cancer by wearing earphones. It's useless.

[-] TBi@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

According to this articles methods we know that noise cancelling headphones kill people, since everyone who uses them dies! (Eventually and yes /s)

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I really struggle to process voices, but I hear absolutely everything.

Someone talking to me can get completely drowned out by a 15KHz hum of an electronic device, the acoustics of a room or a TV in the background.

Yet, I ask them if they are having trouble hearing me over all the noise. They usually reply "wharlt noise?" If it's a high-pitch hum, they won't acknowledge the noise even if I show them on a spectral analyser.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 8 points 3 weeks ago

If it's a high-pitched hum, they may genuinely be unable to hear it. It's common for people to lose their hearing in very high registers quickly as they age (like, most teens still hear them, but thirty-somethings mostly don't). Without noticing, since it doesn't impede day-to-day communication.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nope it's a very reasonable hypothesis. "Symptom X suddenly occurs frequently. That started when people started doing Y. According to our understanding, Y has a direct impact on the functioning of X". Causation has still to be established formally but it'd be quite surprising if it was mere correlation, as in it would overturn the understanding audiologists have about how things work.

Bluntly said: If you never train filtering out noise, then you suck at filtering out noise. That looks dead obvious, if it's wrong, then in a very, very interesting way. General relativity vs. Newtonian mechanics kind of interesting.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Article literally starts off just describing my ADHD related auditory processing difficulties, which is interesting for their claims because I don't often listen to music in the first place because of it.

The only thing I use my headphones for are podcasts and audio books that I have rewind because I forgot I was listening to something.

My knee jerk response as a result is that it's probably just younger people being more comfortable admitting something is wrong and looking for an explanation from the wrong people. They note that it is prevalent in aneurotypical people but don't seem to have questioned that maybe these people simply aren't diagnosed properly.

It's especially interesting that they chose a woman as the focus for the article, with women being demonstrably underdiagnosed in particular.

[-] Broadfern@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah those first couple paragraphs were just “ADHD/autistic woman behaves like an ADHD/autistic woman. Time to blame her for using accommodation equipment!” (Not actually Dx’ing her, but I recognize a lot of my own patterns here).

Like for fuck’s sake let us have our small bits of sanity. Tuning out the constant hell that is everyday life is not a sin.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

...podcasts and audio books that I have rewind because I forgot I was listening to something.

I sad chuckled because I am the same. On the other hand, I listen to glitchy electronic music with irregular patterns on my headphones in order to concentrate on a task. My brain tunes out the mayhem and focuses on the task at hand. Imagine a screen full of jumbled, ever changing imagery with a single fly crawling across it, but in sound. My brain will focus on the "fly" and blur out the rest because it makes no sense.

Listening to proper music has the opposite effect where it will immediately trigger my mental wanderings.

[-] Hule@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Could you share some examples of this type of music, please?

[-] Admax@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure what Jo listens to but I recognized myself in his description.

You can lookup Sewerslvt (Mr.Kill Myself) for an exemple. I also listens to :

  • Machine Girl (Try Krystle URL Cyberplace Mix)
  • Goreshit (Try Fine Night or Black is the new black)
  • Loffciamcore ( A little more hardcore than the others, try Eat Me)
[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Aside from the obvious Aphex Twin tracks, here is an old one I always liked. It gets progressively more broken halfway through, which is is a good example of what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FG7ZVzvks

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

I am glad to see us respect our link-aggregation heritage of ignoring the article and starting heated discussions based on what we infer from the headline. 😂

It also seems that the headline currently on the article is different and switches out clickbait tactics from misleading omission to absurd pearl-clutching: "Are noise-cancelling headphones to blame for young people's hearing problems?" If you combine them, you get something closer to actual content of the article.

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

It also seems that the headline currently on the article is different and switches out

Both are present in the article; they don't switch out. One is the title (as you can see in the title bar of a desktop web browser) and the other is the top-level heading of the text.

Looks like Lemmy picked up the former, which makes sense considering the document structure. BBC probably should have used the same phrase in both places.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I poked around a few other articles. A few are identical. Most are slight variations. Few are as different as these two. My guess would be that the original submission from the author or initial editor locks in a headline for the tab/title bar, but then the CMS lets them edit what appears in the main body of the webpage.

[-] subignition@fedia.io 20 points 3 weeks ago

Bad title. The article examines whether specifically noise-cancelling headphones may be involved in listening issues.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Oh boy I hope not, I love noise cancelation lol. I figure it's gotta be better than upping the volume to override the noise around me.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe if they weren't all in tiny cramped apartments with paper-thin walls and multiple roommates they wouldn't need to wear headphones all the time.

Also, voice chat doesn't work very well with speakers and microphone without a lot feedback.

[-] remon@ani.social 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

but her audiologist believes the overuse of noise-cancelling headphones, which Sophie wears for up to five hours a day, could have a part to play.

Me, wearing my noise-cancelling headphones for 10+ hours a day ....

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[-] venotic@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not buying it that it is headphone-related. I wear headphones nearly all of the time, I've listened to music loudly for years on end, I've had to deal with loud screeches, loud noise wherever I go, lived and worked.

It is totally an environmental thing. Plus, the article had already wrapped up what the problem was and a normal hearing test came back negative.

But they haaaaaad to find a reason in the next line. Just had to.

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 3 weeks ago

Have fun. I have Tinnitus.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

they're not saying it's a headphones thing in general. they're saying it may be a noise-cancelling headphones thing.

[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I am 29 and I already have minuscule hearing loss (if results of the last hearing test were factual), and I don't really listen to music/podcasts on headphones that much either.

I am also one of these people who still has regular PC speakers instead of gaming headsets or whatever.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

Did the boomboxes-next-to-heads and the walkmans of the '80s and discmans of the '90s not count? I think a lot of game boy users also used headhpones.

I actually didn't use them that much at all, but I still have trouble hearing with background noise. Noise-cancelling headphones have actually been an amazing thing in my life because (a) it helps overstimulation and anxiety and (b) it actually helps me hear someone talking to me because it filters out the other stuff. I suspect my problems are a combination of mostly-neurological (ADHD and probably (though not officially) ASD) and maybe impacted by loud concerts and general aging-related stuff. I can still hear really high-pitched sounds and the like whereas many of my peers around my age and younger can't as well, but it's all mud to me when there's a lot of sound.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

this isn't a hearing loss issue, the hypothesis is that noise-cancelling headphones specifically are causing our brains to not filter out random noises neurologically.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

True. They also mention the person's rural upbringing and then moving to the city. That mirrors my experience and my hearing issues pre-date using noise canceling headphones. I always had a rough time anywhere there were lots of people and noise, but it just wasn't super common previously (I grew up in rural Ohio and have lived in some big US cities.followed by nearly a decade in Tokyo).

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[-] raptir@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

So wait, I'm not just a grumpy old man who doesn't like a lot of noise, this is actually a disorder?

Honestly though it's an interesting question and I wonder if this is just the "natural state." I really started to feel it after I went RVing for a year. It's a relatively recent (in the overall span of humanity) development that people would be in groups large enough to make this be an issue.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe try McDonald's workers for further research, if it's the constant and annoying beeping of machines. Or any Japanese store where you get 3 songs blaring at the same time from different aisles, then there's some offering on a seperate stand, of course also blinking and begging for attention with additional sounds... I believe you can simulate 10 years of UK longterm exposure with a one day trip to Japan.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

As the world become more and more noisy. And people become more a more shitty with regards of doing noise without care about how it affects others. ANC become a necessity for some people.

[-] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

I knew earphones made you lose your hearing faster but headphones causing issues too? Guess the only safe option are speakers :/

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Next DIY project found!

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

I pretty much never go outside without headphones now. I haven't noticed any problems with comprehending speech or sounds like described here. Sensory issues (as in being easily overwhelmed) were long gone before I got addicted to headphones. However, mother complains I am constantly speaking too loud without even recognizing it, and blames it on my hearing loss. However, I KNOW my hearing is good, because I can still hear a subtle shrill sound of a power supply on the other end of the room, even loudly enough to be bothered by it! I wonder if this could be because of headphones, that just feels peculiar.

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[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

I had a pair of noise cancelling headphones when I was in like seventh or eighth grade, but when they broke, I just never ended up replacing them, and I've never had noise cancelling headphones ever since.

[-] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago
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