Trump 'will join Putin in Moscow' for World War Two commemorations (www.mirror.co.uk)

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

so, do you guys think trump will succeed in clawing russia away from china or what? is throwing europe under the bus after promising to see them through the war gonna pay off? why or why not?

i personally think trump will accelerate the decline of the us empire, anyone else as optimistic?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 18 hours ago

There's zero chance of that happening. The US has no credibility at this point due to its growing political volatility. Any deal Trump makes has a 4 year horizon tops, because the next admin can just reverse it the way Trump reversed Biden's policy on Ukraine. There's also nothing the US can offer Russia given that Russian economy has already adjusted to the sanctions and it's actually growing faster than it did before the war. If being cut off from the west economically results in minimal pressure that in turn means that being integrated back will have minimal benefit.

On the other hand, China has a stable political system and is able to make long term commitments. China and Russia also have many common interests and their economies are complimentary. Russia has a lot of natural resources and China has a massive industry that needs them. It's a similar relationship to the one US and Canada have. Russia has shown that they are able to do long term planning, and they can see that their interests are much better served by an alliance with China than the US.

What I expect will actually happen is that it's the alliance between the US and Europe that's going to break apart as a result. We can already see the start of the break up happening, and it's obviously in Russian interest to encourage this. So, I fully expect that the Russians will continue normalizing the relations with the US in order to drive a wedge between them and Europe.

Ben Norton did a pretty good take on the situation incidentally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRJIymzuRGU

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 0 points 16 hours ago

No ... the US empire will expand and grow more wealthy .... the only issue is the US empire has nothing to do with the US people, it has everything to do with US corporations and wealthy owners.

The fun part is that the same thing is happening with the Russians ... their empire has nothing to do with their people and everything to do with their corporations and wealthy owners.

This all has nothing to do with people ... it has everything to do with money.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago

i dont get what you mean

[-] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

This is your chance America. Change the locks while he’s away, and pretend not to be in when he wants to come back in

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

You do realize he actually won the popular vote this time?

[-] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 19 hours ago

Didn’t something like a quarter of USians vote for him?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 19 hours ago

yeah that's a conservative number for his support

[-] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 18 hours ago

lol. Great support.

[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

That doesn't mean he was actually popular though.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

He clearly has a large base that's pretty fanatical at this point.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

90 million people didn't vote.

There's a lot of organizing to do...

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Organizing to get more then two viable political parties through state level electoral reform right?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

People who didn't vote clearly didn't feel that strongly about it one way or the other.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

A lil’ bit of voter suppression may also have contributed.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Sure, but I think it's clear that Trump has a strong base that supports what he's doing. It's important to recognize that.

[-] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Yep, loooooot of absolute fucking morons in this country.

Also, they definitely cheated.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

That's why it's called "organizing."

Back in the day, MLK put together a March on Washington with payphones and mimeograph machines.

When he started, 99% of the population thought Tarzan was a great hero.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I'm not against actual organizing done by orgs like PSL, but the reality is that large swaths of US public openly and vehemently support Trump.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

Back in the day, MLK put together a March on Washington with payphones and mimeograph machines.

When he started, 99% of the population thought Tarzan was a great hero.

Read the history. A lot of the African-American population thought that King was a dangerous radical. He had no access to national media and there were no cell phone camera if the police decided to get frisky.

No one said it would be easy.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Seems like we're talking past each other here. I never said positive change in US is not possible, or that people shouldn't be organizing. I'm pointing out the current state of the country here. 🤷

[-] griff@lemmings.world 4 points 1 day ago

there is no mandate for any of this brutal idiotic chicanery

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Seems like plenty of people are cheering it on.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Or maybe there’s no voting holiday and people are too burned out from working 3 part time jobs to make ends meet.

Perhaps if the dems offered anything of substance to the working class, people could have found a way to get to the polling booths. But they didn’t, so here we are.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Or maybe voting on which member of the ruling class will oppress people isn't meaningful democracy.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Agreed, would love to see FPTP replaced with ranked choice voting, and getting rid of the electoral college altogether. This would open the door for a party actually on the left, and if given a platform I’m sure they’d dominate the current establishment. Believe it or not only a relatively small fraction of America is full on maga fascist.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I mean that's how a lot of European systems work and clearly isn't helping much there either. The reality is that liberal democracies turn towards fascism in times of crisis. The problem is with the inequality and the fact that a handful of rich oligarchs own everything while exploiting everyone else. No meaningful democracy is possible unless means of production are owned by the workers. The rich will always get their way.

[-] siskourso@odin.lanofthedead.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

If only that would work.

[-] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 6 points 1 day ago

I think Peskov just said that there is no agreement yet actually

[-] Thesilverpig@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

While not angels during or after the war, Russia took the brunt of the Nazi war machine and deserves credit for their contributions for ending the war.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago

No country is an angel though, at the same time Britain was intentionally starving Indians and the US had Japanese American citizens (including children) in concentration camps