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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Isn't one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it's near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I'd wager some companies feel like they won't survive if they don't keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.

[-] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 66 points 1 week ago

Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.

The capitalist way.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago

the circle of online life

Get used to it. Nothing lasts forever.

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

FOSS FOSS FOSS and self-host.

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[-] paequ2@lemmy.today 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):

  • Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
  • Floorp: also neat, but features I don't use
  • Waterfox: sweet spot for me

Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven't noticed any problems with websites and haven't run into any bugs.

One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 23 points 1 week ago

Zen: is Firefox

Floorp: is Firefox

Waterfox: is Firefox

Librewolf: is Firefox

They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.

[-] paequ2@lemmy.today 25 points 1 week ago

There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I'm pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.

But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.

[-] lefixxx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No, being a fork doesn't mean it's the same browser.

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[-] kabi@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

Same for LibreWolf.

Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳

I was thinking I should ditch android FF, too...

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[-] notanapple@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] NewDay@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Here is the link without the need to open reddit. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 19 points 1 week ago
[-] firadin@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago

Their Swiss CEO decided that supporting an authoritarian American neo nazi regime was a good idea

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago

And they decided that posting on Mastodon was bad so switched back to r*****.

[-] _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

He's not Swiss, he's from Taiwan

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 1 week ago

The creator is pro-Trump and they also recently stopped posting updates to Mastodon citing "they don't have the resources" for it, or something like that.

Correct me if I have missed something; I've got no skin in the game, I just see the drama a lot.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 week ago

So weird these business guys get involved into political crap. It's gotta alienate one side or another, simply lose lose.

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I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀

[-] NewDay@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.

[-] AdamUllstrom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!

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[-] Katzenmann@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago

I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I've heard that it's a big hassle

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[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

use truly foss apps. Anything that’s has a corp built around it is going to enshitify

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Self-hosting and FOSS are the way to go. We saw this demonstrated when Raspberry Pi started acting stupidly as a company. There are so many alternatives that it is easy to switch. Unfortunately some things are pretty tough to self-host, like email and anonymizing VPN. But there are a lot of low-hanging fruit that makes it less painful to divest from bad companies.

[-] Pulsar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?

[-] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago

It's a generally recognised principle in economics that we want competition to take place, and for consumers to have a choice - for a plethora of reasons too large to list here. The most important IMO is a political one though: we don't want monopolies for the same reason we don't want monarchies and dictatorships. Being the sole provider of any very important product puts an obscene amount of power in the hand of a single corporation (or a handful of them). We never want that much power to be so concentrated in so few individuals, because it's fundamentally injust, and always leads to catastrophe. Also consider that if that power is a corporation or a "private" individual, they're not accountable to anyone but their shareholders (who, in turn never want the corp to be anything other than a money making machine). Even a dictator is more accountable to his subjects than a multinational corporation is to anyone. So there you have it, that's why we need alternatives.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

PLENTY of reasons if they oppose enshitification... but if they embrace it, then yes, they'll just be another pimple in the ass of enshitificated software

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[-] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

constructs like companies and software come and go but the individuals, the movement that strives for freedom stays the same

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 9 points 1 week ago

The mozilla thing seems to be mostly bad PR, but yeah...

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

They took out the clause in their policy about not selling user data.

It's pretty obvious what follows that

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 7 points 1 week ago

https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos That sums it up. The definition of what counts as "selling data" changed...

[-] schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

The problem is that they can't or won't tell the users which data from what parts of the program they sell to whom for what purpose. Instead, they just make you give up all the rights to all your data in a blanket statement. (I think they did adjust the TOS a little bit, but it's still far from good)

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[-] waterore@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m trying out 3 different browsers atm and I think I’ll just keep all 3 and cycle though or use at different privacy settings. I will miss Firefox and not having to think about my browser. Can’t wait to watch all 3 go to shit as well.

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn't get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.

Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.

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