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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Summary

The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.

High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.

Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.

Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.

Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 20 points 1 year ago

Go home and campaign for your leftist party to protect yourselves from the disease.

Somehow, Nazis have returned.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

It's like I'm loving real like call of duty Nazi zombies. They're back.

[-] TimboSlice@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago

A few weeks ago, I told my Canadian coworker that if she leaves to see her Dad, as she does at least once a year, she might not be able to come back. She just laughed like I was joking.

[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

There's more than a few Canadians who think it can't happen to them.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.

Note this means tourist areas should see prices drop on food in grocery stores because the supply was being created pre-decreased population. The decreased cash flow will hurt businesses and the suppliers will decrease production as to not have to sell at slim to no margins which will bring the prices back up soon enough (or the farmers/distributers will go out of business themselves).

It will give people in those areas a false narrative for the time being though because they will be happy about lower prices and less car traffic... But all the resteraunts will have less patrons, and less money going to servers, less jobs to be had eventually.

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[-] Keener@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I'm going to Canada and I'm really excited!

[-] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 year ago

Canada is very similar to the US except not insane and colder.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. Don't come to the south-western part where it's rainy but warm. Pleugh. Very expensive.

Avoid the posh hotels in Ucluelet (land in tahsis nearby if you don't like the drive) or the beaches in Tofino. Or the forests around port Renfrew (YCD airport to skip that drive). Bleugh. Terrible. Not a Starbucks in sight.

Vancouver too. Yuck. (YCH/YVR). Pretty blue glass and excursions to pretty bridges and hills and trails. Focus on the san-fran style homeless issues and high cost of your trip.

Definitely Do Not go see ucky Canada. But we'd love to have you and hope you have a great time.

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[-] khannie@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Look, I've been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I'm really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.

I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can't gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a "Welcome" from the border security on my way in.

It just wouldn't be a rational choice.

edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you're not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they're just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.

[-] Azal@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

I will not be going back there until shit calms down.

Don't expect it for a long time. You talk about the Erasmus to teach people they're just like everyone else to prevent an internal war.

Here in the states, I honest to god cannot see how our two sides can come to a peaceful resolution and that terrifies me.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

There is no means to a peaceful resolution when one side actively dreams of genociding or enslaving half the other side

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Hell, they want to enslave a chunk of their own side. Shouldn't be long until it's illegal to be too poor.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I feel like there is a /s I missed. It's already illegal to be poor here. Don't have a house/apartment to sleep in? Crime.

Can't pay taxes? Crime.

Wanna stay warm by burning a Tesla? Crime.

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[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I know folks in Georgia, S. Carolina, and N. Carolina who've never been more than a couple hours drive from their birthplace in their entire lives.

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Only 9% decrease? That sounds pretty optimistic.

I’d guess it will be more like 50%. Guess we’ll see.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.

Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.

Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Initially some American prison then deported to some random country based on what he appeared to be to the racist in command in charge of making this decision

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[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I won't be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.

[-] Lanske@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It's a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Sometimes they detain people as they are trying to leave the US.

[-] Lanske@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Man, I was going to go to a wedding there that was super important to me but now I'm SO torn.

[-] Lanske@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's a shame! I can understand you're torn about it

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

It's not the "immigration agenda", it's the "illegal captivity and deportations".

[-] Daggity@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah, couldn't be the illegal imprisonment and torture random citizens and tourists have been experiencing.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

bring a dozen eggs and give one to each ICE agent you encounter along the way

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

bring a dozen eggs and give one to each ICE agent you encounter along the way

As long as you "give" them somewhat percussively. If ICE is gonna detain you no matter what, make it count!

[-] nlgranger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).

[-] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Why even go visit the US? There's nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won't be detained at the border.

[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Is this what Project 2025 wants to happen? I heard 42% of their goals have already been implemented. Do they think that isolationism and going back to unilateral, strong armed foreign policy will work? And I thought the Nazis were really stupid...oh wait...

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I am starting to wonder how Americans would vote now if trump allows another election?

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 12 points 1 year ago

Trump supporters continue to vote red despite decisions effecting their lives in profound ways.

Look at the anti-vax response after their own child dies of a preventable disease. It's moronic.

[-] Vash63@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That's looking increasingly like a big "if", unless you mean a Russian style election.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just wait a bit more. The real pain has not yet set in. Wait until they have to decide whether to keep their mom alive or feed their children. It won't take long.

[-] Keener@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't matter how people vote. Trump and Musk will be controlling the results.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The thing that sucks is that the USA is awesome, it had great nature, great cities and good food / people.

The orange dipshit can't take that away.

That said, only visit / give your money to blue states, that's what I'm doing.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The one thing that really came home to me traveling in the US was how unbelievably different different parts of it are. If you were an alien or otherwise didn't know where the borders of countries were you would not believe that Florida and DC could possibly belong to the same country they're so completely different in culture.

I honestly think that's part of the problem the US has, they only have two parties and that's nowhere near enough diversity to cover all of the different kinds of cultures the US has. I have to imagine people in North Dakota have completely different priorities to people in California. Yet there's absolutely no political recognition of that.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Not just political but cultural, most of the great planes states were borne as nations during the height of the Cold war (the dust bowl kinda stalled/reset a lot of progress) which seems to have fucked them up weirdly. A lot of Americans can't seem to move past the fiction of a unified culture meaning they can't actually work within the reality of cultural and national differences. The United States isn't a nation it's 50+ nations in a trenchcoat descended from a shit tonne of different cultures and nations.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

forecasted

Stay in school, kids.

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[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

A 9% reduction seems low. I'm curious to know emigration numbers (I'm getting out of here myself)

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn't easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 1 year ago

50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.

[-] Mcloooosey@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago

Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.

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