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Over 30,000 turn out for Bernie Sanders, AOC rally in Denver amid push for progressive change (www.cbsnews.com)
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Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez drew 34,000 people to a rally in Denver and 11,000 in Greeley as part of their "Fighting Oligarchy Tour."

They advocated progressive policies and condemned billionaire influence in politics, with Sanders urging resistance to "Trumpism" and oligarchy.

Attendees expressed frustration over economic inequality and corporate influence.

Critics, including Republican Reps. Gabe Evans and Lauren Boebert, dismissed their message as extreme and anti-energy.

Sanders and AOC pledged continued efforts to advance progressive change nationwide.

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[-] kingofras@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

I’ve said it yesterday, and I’ll say it again:

This is nice and all, but talk is (now very) cheap. I’ll believe the USA stands the slightest chance of surviving this coup if it is met with actions.

And there’s only one action you can take: Form a new party!!! Don’t call it Labor or Labour. Don’t call it Green. Don’t call it progressive. Don’t call it socialist or liberal. Just give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. The “Party For The People”, “Ninety-Nine Percent”, or whatever.

Take on BOTH the democrats and GOP, and constantly and endlessly keep dominating the conversation that they are bought by special interest and you are representing the people.

Become popular overnight. Keep hammering home it is not about skin colour, race or country of origin, but about the billionaires that aren’t happy with paying no tax and having billions. Make it about the 99%.

And it won’t be easy, you need 2 Justices on the Supreme Court to Magically drop dead in your first term, and you need have supermajority in both houses for at least 4 years so you can overturn Roe v Wade and most importantly Citizens United. Don’t just overturn but make amendments to the constitution so this can never be up to 7 muppets with life long appointments.

It is the only way you’ll get your country back without excessive violence. The two status quo parties are hollowed out from the inside. And both are infiltrated by foreign interests.

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

Media/social media are owned and controlled by the oligarchs in the US. Getting a message through that firewall in today's America is exceedingly challenging, albeit not impossible. They all pander to their special interests rather than report news. The more fringe ones like The Intercept tend to be a bit too fringe, which damages credibility on a wide scale.

It would have to be a new movement with a new media broadcast platform, hosted somewhere secure and hardened. Probably not in the US, with routing contingency to get around the US government attempting to block them. Not new tech, just something that isn't owned by oligarchs or have a tainted reputation.

Would have to be organic/word of mouth at first. Really hard to get traction that way these days. Again, not impossible. Just challenging.

[-] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Media/social media are owned and controlled by the oligarchs in the US.

I know this is a really hard concept. But go out and talk to people in real life. Join a union. Go to the meetings. Talk to people at work. That's how you spread word.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's do or die. People don't realize that. I think a lot of people are passively submissive to just letting things die. Everyone is burnt out.

[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Nationwide, over 99% of the legislative offices (state and federal) are held be either a Democratic or Republican. Only the two major parties have nationwide ballot access. Only three minor parties have ballot access in more than 10. A third party won't be viable nationally until we have ranked choice voting everywhere. They won't even be viable at the state level without it in that state. Not all states have direct ballot initiatives. That will only happen through ballot initiatives or the major party in control of the state adopting it. Only 26 states have ballot initiatives.

Put that effort into ballot initiatives in the states that have them, and into the Democratic primaries nationwide, until we have ranked choice. Then we can have more than two parties.

[-] kingofras@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

In that case the USA is well and truly fucked.

If you’re right, and it sounds like you are, all bernie & aoc can do is primary, until the cabal pulls a 2016, and the vicious loop repeats.

My new advice is violence. Pls defuse your nukes first.

[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Clinton won the 2016 primary on the strength of her popular vote lead, without needing any superdelegates to ratfuck the vote at the convention. Same with Biden in 2020 (and the DNC changed the rules starting in 2018 such that the vote at the convention doesn't even include superdelegates unless it's contested and needs a second vote).

The problem is simply one of turnout. Progressive voters just haven't turned up enough to sustain what Bernie started in 2016. If Bernie and AOC can keep it up, and get more of the Squad and people like Waltz stumping around the country for state and local races, and get progressives to both run and vote in the primaries, we can do it.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I choose to see this as a positive.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I hope it's not just him trying to get his voters to vote for Neoliberals again.

[-] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

Good luck dear US friends. I honestly hope this movement becomes big and survives the first wave of media‘s shit show to undermine the reputation. And I hope you survive the next wave when your troops stand against your own population. It can work out as revolutions in Eastern Europe has shown in past years.

[-] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

This is one of those comments where I didn't realize how badly I needed to read it until I did. This kind of support from the countries our dictator is actively alienating is extremely beneficial for morale. Thanks!

[-] TheDeadlySquid@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

“You say you want a revolution. . .”

[-] venotic@kbin.melroy.org -3 points 1 week ago

Yeah you can have your rallies and rah rah rah. But, is this going to inspire hope come mid-terms? Can't tell.

[-] Blum0108@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You're right, we should definitely not try anything. 🤷‍♂️

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Well, the current efforts are few and lacking.

I think the vast majority of people who participate in American politics online discussion simply do not grasp or understand how to react. Or even what happened to cause this decline. And those that do have very few leaders or organizations or networks to draw support.

This leaves most people who want to help floundering and feeling helpless.

That look the deer had before it’s hit by that truck? This is where the average participant is. And I’m not sure that this is the best it can get or not.

Too much is missing. And all the best will in the world, and all the prettiest speeches, rants, essays , comments and posts cannot will it into existence. It has to grow on its own. And that takes time we may not have

[-] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What do you suggest as the first one to three steps to get started on not being the paralyzed deer? You've identified the problem, do you have wisdom to share on actionable tasks one can do to get started? You're not wrong about identifying ignorance...unfortunately, ignorance is self-reinforcing without effective training and education.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately I am clueless.

My own experience comes from doing grassroots in Texas, years ago. I saw how tentative and fragile that was.

Then , I tried to educate people about the value of paper ballots in Texas. And it gave me insight about how hard things can be to change ( understatement there).

I was incredibly inspired by the Ukrainian revolution ten years ago. And use that to see why things break here. Eventually I put it down to the collapse of local politics and Ukrainians have healthier social ties on average.

But a builder of local neighborhoods I am not, nor am I a good educator or leader, and am somewhat of a coward unless I am a follower. So I got nothing

[-] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Unfortunately, I'm clueless, too. I feel especially frustrated by my cluelessness, because I've received extensive "leadership" training and I feel like I should be good at sharing ideas and building consensus. But I'm an awkward introvert who, at best, prefers to be a sidekick to a better leader who understands and relates to other people more easily than I do.

Something I'd like to try in my community is see if I can reserve the rec room at my local library to do a double feature (maybe two features spaced out by a week) in which I show the films Conspiracy (2001) and Schindler's List, with a discussion/shared analysis by the viewers following each viewing.

And then maybe I'd try starting a book club where the first book is This Perfect Day by Ira Levin followed by other titles focused on social ideals, flaws, actions, and abuses.

You know, when I have time, that is...

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Avatar episode about No War in Ba Sing Se would fit in as well. Oh, and the opening episodes of the classic Battlestar Galactica - the Cylons attack when the opposition is gathered for a peace conference. We might relate if WW3 starts.

Battlestar 1978 - Saga of a Star World trailer

We probably should make a list of stuff for everybody to select and show for their respective libraries.

*Avatar: The Last Airbender, episode 14, "City of Walls and Secrets".

*Babylon 5: seasons 4 and 5 focus on the civil war with Earth. In one of the episodes, Sheriden asks incoming warships about what they are supposed to do when issued illegal orders. We could use a supercut of B5 that is solely concerned with the civil war, since the series is filled with many unrelated plot threads.

On that note, Mac's Lore did an episode that summarizes the civil war.

The Secession of Babylon 5

*V: An alien invasion, in which the aliens literally wear human skin to make themselves appear normal. Aside from eating mice and things, they institute fascism. The series is all about forming a resistance against them. There is also a reboot of V, but I don't recall which series got to their conclusion.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't put words in their mouth. Your reaction is off putting and killing your own cause. That's why people don't want to join you guys.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

You’re wrong. People do want to join, that’s why the rally was so large.

If his comment is the reason why YOU don’t want to join the cause, your argument is in bad faith.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your posts don't say anything, they are emotional and reactionary. Not strategic to the cause you claim to fight for. That's not said to be an insult.

[-] Blum0108@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Rallying support and showing people who are hurting that they are not alone isn't emotional or reactionary. If that's not your idea of helping, then do your own thing and don't tear down people who are trying. Shitting on anyone trying to help is worse than doing nothing.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

I always forget that when the crowds are this large it does kind of help people understand folks are on their side, even if they are not engaged in politics and just read the headlines like us folks on lemmy who argue about things before we read the article and then apologize later…

[-] Blum0108@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

People need to see that the left isn't their enemy, which is what corporate media has been pushing for almost a century. The more people see that taking care of each other is the point of government, the sooner we build a world that helps everyone.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think you misunderstood this conversation I'm talking about your response to ops post not the subject matter.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Well, I’m not talking about the subject matter or the ops post, either. This is random that both of us would be doing this at the same time on the same day in the exact same post.

Hello fellow troll

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes. I respond to news articles and the comments in the posts to engage with the content. I don’t post a lot, I mainly comment. I do use learned knowledge, intuition, lived experience, gut feelings, emotion to get the general feeling of how an event or idea affects me personally as well as those I care about, but that’s involves compassion and empathy. I have many flaws though, yes even bias.

Good observation, but that’s already obvious.

Fun fact: your posts don’t say anything either.

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago

"They want to know if the people of America are going to stand up to Trumpism, oligarchy," Sanders said to a cheering crowd.

fuck y'all

been nowhere for decades and country been needing a revolution but just now decide to do something acting like MLK

where was this "energy" a decade ago or two or at any time? Trump is just the latest spokesperson and not the only time we faced shit like this

if another rally is held most likely be in a blue state and odds are these two are just opportunistically cashing out like last time

[-] Vash63@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

You have a point if you're talking about Dems as a whole, but both Sanders and AOC have been pushing to stand up since the beginning. They are definitely not on the list of people sitting by the sidelines and letting it happen.

[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't want to be too much of an infighter, but look at Bernie's immigration stance over the years. He isn't sobbing too much about the undocumented getting deported because he claims they take from documented Americans. It makes it hard to believe him knowing how he has looked directly into the eyes of innocent humans and still chooses to treat them as drains of documented american society.

These people want three things:

  1. for the democratic party to continue existing
  2. for different democrats to be elected and for us to be the ones in Washington to change it from the inside as democrats
  3. for your votes and donation dollars to go to the Democratic Party because they need to win those elections

Their plan: in two or more years, replace many old liberal, Republican-lite dems with young progressives. This will allow them to push more progressive policies. The problem is they had 8 years, nearly a decade, to do that or else we get fascism and failed and now want to believe in their two year plan to start the change of fascism to a progressive democracy.

I hope fascism is willing to wait for democracy to do its thing as much as these two are betting on it with their strategy, but there are democrats out there taking on AIPAC money and stomping out progressives because they aren't getting the donations going to the Democratic Party fundraisers because they don't take corporate donations. There has to be more from the party "of the people" than this.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I don't want to be too much of an infighter, but

I don't believe you.

[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Believe whatever you want, I don't care. I'm for open borders and he is not. I would have voted for him like I voted for Kamala, but libs be libs and many anre not for open borders like I am. I want Ellis island back like my ancestors were afforded to come here, but Bernie and many libs are not for an Ellis island. It is what it is, and it is my main gripe with the guy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437790-bernie-sanders-blasts-open-borders-theres-a-lot-of-poverty-in-this-world/

He's not for deporting the dreamers, but get their parents outta here says he lol. If you're poor and want to come to America? "America's closed!" says he. He chooses his words so carefully. He is for deporting innocent illegals humans. He doesn't think they're innocent and deserve deportation by armed forces. He's wrong, flat out, I welcome the poor from around the world to come here. I love my immigrant family and I love my immigrant neighbors and I love the immigrants coming here for economic prosperity, and I want that to be as easy as Ellis island again.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

He isn't sobbing too much about the undocumented getting deported

Source demonstrating that he doesn't care?

he claims they take from documented Americans

Ah, now I see what confused you!

Bernie speaks out against billionaires and their corporations driving down wages by exploiting undocumented immigrants.

He doesn't blame immigrants for being exploited and he has certainly never been in favor of the draconian, abusive, and counterproductive immigration laws of the GOP.

Unlike the leadership of both parties, he places the blame firmly where it belongs: on the rich people and companies profiting off of abusing everyone else.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The foundation Bernie stands on is the the same foundation of Donald Trump. People want someone standing on the earths dirt as their foundation so to speak, not Americas faulty foundation.

Yes Bernie is the better of the choices. But Americans should be making America better by their own hands, their own lives. Rebuild the foundation with our own hands even if that means sacrificing our lives for the future of American humanity. Continuing this American bullshit is like going to McDonald's instead of growing a garden and eating your own healthy food. Its like... You have the option to not eat at all and starve (trump), eat McDonald's (Bernie), or learn to grow your own garden and build a better foundation to build upon. We are currently starving. Some people are willing the say fuck it and choose McDonald's to save them selves. Others are willing to take a risk of life and death to learn to grow their own garden.

We don't want to be forced to eat something we don't like. We don't want to be forced the gmo option they offer us. We want to control our foundation.

Freedom is free, but freedom is war. Peace and unity is possible but at the cost of genocide because it's not possible to unify humanity. Either path someone's experiencing hell. The understanding of this is where spirituality comes from. Authentic spirituality... But spirituality is also manipulated and used... ...any way you look at it life will always be raw with a mix of good and evil and this is something people will literally kill to ignore.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I hope you start following AOC's social media from now on if you still think she lacks the energy or whatever. She and Ms. Crockett have been killing it for a long while now.

[-] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I seem to remember lots of pro-Bernie energy in 2016. Voting for Bernie would have been much more satisfying than voting for Clinton, at least for me and many of the people I personally know.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The same day they spoke at a rally in Greeley which is a red city and the crowd was 10,000 out of a city population of 100,000

They have support in both red and blue counties and cities.

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