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submitted 3 weeks ago by zephorah@lemm.ee to c/politics@lemmy.world

This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

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[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 71 points 3 weeks ago

Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago

And keep in mind that this is the state of things prior to our current regime that runs on cruelty.

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 49 points 3 weeks ago

What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

They want people to suffer.

[-] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Evil. The word you're looking for is evil.

[-] Hazor@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

They believe that bullshit against all common sense and by very deliberately ignoring any kind of evidence. Fascists are always assholes first and the fascism just serves to rationalize their shitty behaviour.

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[-] pufferfisherpowder@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's what I don't get. Like, why can't we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?

But no, there's a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.

I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he's old enough to ask. I just don't get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don't want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don't even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.

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[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

It's also important to note that they're planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

They don't need to introduce anything, involuntary commitment is already a question on form 4473 and something a NICS check would flag.

Of course, they would still need to physically retrieve any firearms they may have. Unless they planned on handing them over peacefully.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sorry, I lost all my firearms in an unfortunate boating accident.

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Which is why I roll my eyes everyone those Dems mentions "Gun Control".

Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My first thought when reading this is….

We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

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[-] salamandermander@lemmings.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.

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[-] Naevermix@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

Just like in Soviet Union under Stalin.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Not really, abuse of the mental asylums like this mostly happened after Stalin’s death. Under Stalin, you were simply thrown into the Gulag system.

[-] iz_ok@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 weeks ago

Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.

Fuck Trump!

I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.

[-] warbond@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

What makes you think it would be free?

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[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

Americans are fucked. Political disagreement to be classified as a mental disorder? Y'all skipped the Hungary and Russia steps, and went straight to NK.

[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 21 points 3 weeks ago

If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 weeks ago

but, the bill doesn’t even make sense and uses “psychic” instead of “psychiatric”… so not even proof read….
it’s basically a troll bill, more important things to get upset about (unless you’re in minnesota, then you should petition to remove them)

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know how to start a riot

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago

This statement sums up modern Western society.

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 21 points 3 weeks ago

And here I thought it was Roadkill F. Kennedy that was gonna send me to a concentration camp for taking antidepressants. Welp I guess it's the nuthouse for me instead. At least until being mentally ill at all gets you sent to the "rehabilitation farms."

[-] uuldika@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

it's legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it's 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans' base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.

basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from "ironic" Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it's "just a joke" when you're defending it, it's "just trolling" when you're pushing it through, and it's "owning the libs" when you're executing on it.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

As long as you aren't playing it down (I don't think you are but not 100% sure) I'm with you. Historically, that's how we got here.

Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such "troll legislation" passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.

Also, there's no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn't stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let's make sure it doesn't.

[-] uuldika@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

definitely not playing it down. the whole point of meme magic is that it shifts the Overton window so bills like these can actually pass. it's a kind of "irony laundering." they "troll" the Left, the Left raises alarm, the Right keks and calls us hysterical, the Center sees us as crying wolf and tunes us out. the Right pushes the "troll" legislation as far as they can because "it's just a prank bro," until we're weakened enough they can actually pass it.

it's like how the Right goads us into calling them "fascists" because they're literally being fascists, the Right gaslights saying we're always calling everyone "fascists," until fascism reenters the Overton window because the Center thinks "fascism" doesn't mean anything anymore.

honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic back when Republicans were calling centrist Dems Socialists. if we'd used this strategy as well as the Right did we could be executing Billionaires by now.

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 3 weeks ago

I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Awww, they're feeling the pressure huh?

[-] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

I will scream it from the roof tops that he is incompetent and my dislike for him. I’m not scared.

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[-] Australis13@fedia.io 11 points 3 weeks ago

This is unhinged. I hope it doesn't pass.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 13 points 3 weeks ago

It won't. Even if it did Walz would would veto it.

Every single elected Nazi will probably vote for it, but they don't have a majority and they are super upset about it.

[-] fff45667@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago

This process is already able to be abused to swat people, and the conditions are horrible for the people being held. I've seen it as a MH worker. It's not a hospital, it's a jail. There is no treatment, only observation in cells. It's deeply traumatizing and corrupt. Coercion to get people to sign into voluntary programs ($) in order to be released, or they extend their hold. The whole thing is a travesty.

[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago

What in tarnation? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real diagnosis now?

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago

No, but he’s impacted mental health. I’ve had people with psychosis wondering, first term, why Trump hadn’t arrived to save them from their crappy lives yet. Crying. Shaking. Legit beside themselves with belief that he was riding in to save them from themselves post election. Going over the edge such that “the shot” needed to be deployed.

Needless to say, news was banned from that unit, airing it made breakdowns increase in both number and severity.

That said, this is not how the current conservative pundits are presenting this so called syndrome. This label is instead assisting in their dismissal of people who think Trump is having a negative impact on America, in whatever way(s) you choose to read his impact as negative. The way they toss “Trump Derangement Syndrome” around is not unlike the classic unhealthy male who can’t maintain a healthy romantic relationship and is thus quick to accuse the ex, all the exes, of being “crazy” in a sad attempt to rally social support. Similar tone.

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[-] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago

Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

[-] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

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