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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by data1701d@startrek.website to c/daystrominstitute@startrek.website

Edit: When I say "Center Right" I also mean relative to Ferengi society.

A small addition to my post, Gender and Sexual Orientation in FERENGI society from a few months back.

I caught this frame in the background of LD S4 E6 Parth's Ferengi Heart Place, depicting an unclothed Ferengi woman.

This provides an interesting insight into the Ferengi social/political landscape of the Nagus Rom era. It suggests a center right that is fine with women traveling in public to some extent (maybe with limits, like it can only be with husband or father or out of necessity), but not them being clothed. This doesn't seem to be that common, as most Ferengi women we see in this episode (including on the television in Boimler's apartment) are clothed, but it seems to be a position that exists.

Honestly, I'd be interested in a novel (perhaps written from the perspective of an autobiography) or something about how Nagus Rom and Leeta survived leading Ferenginar the first few years and adjusted to such a different role from his engineering days. We could learn a lot about the Ferengi political system.

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[-] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm not sure if centre-right is a characterisation you can make of ferengi politics in this way.

I usually associate the left/right distinction as an indicator of mainly economic policy. We know that things like unions, worker rights, etc (leftist economic ideals) have never been big on fereginar. I don't think there's been that big a shift even with union man Rom at the helm.

I think that attitudes towards social issues like women's rights are completely orthogonal to economic ones. It's easy looking at current human political tribalism to group everyone on a left/right binary, but consider that during DS9 Rom, the economic leftist, did not at all like his mother wearing clothes and being open. If anything, the economically right leaning quark was less bothered by it.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

My favorite thing about this episode is that the name is a reference to an amazing show and for absolutely no reason I can figure out.

[-] dumbass@leminal.space 12 points 6 days ago

Well it is the greatest work of literature put onto film ever, written by the most prolific writer in history who is a modern version Shakespeare, Garth Marenghi.

I'm Parth Ferengi. Author. Dreamweaver. Visionary. Plus actor. You're about to enter the world of my imagination. You are entering my Heart Place.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

I would assume Rom wouldnt force them to be clothed. Just allowed them to do so and most did.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

They might have chosen to do so automatically. It's a lot easier to earn a profit if you look like a presentable businessferengi, especially when you're not going to be fined for wearing said clothes.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 6 days ago

A truly feminist society would allow women to choose a traditional gender role but not force it upon them.

[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Wheel of time not femenist then?

[-] BuckenBerry@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It was feminist the same way early wonder woman comics were.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Wheel of time is written by a horny progressive man in the 90s. It is feminist at parts, but a lot of the female power in it is heavily femdom coded

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 5 points 6 days ago

I know what some of those words mean!

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I guess that interpretation depends on how much free will anyone has in a world where "the wheel weaves as the wheel wills" and "the pattern" is a metaphysical? real? thing that can be manipulated and even destroyed. In other words, "fate" is a force like gravity in that world.

If "fate" says you can't be what you want to want to be, does it matter what gender you are?

[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago

There role was forced upon them at least in the current era, men were equal in the last ine but cant access the power anymore without it corrupting them, which is why its purely woman in power for the most part thousands of years later, it was forced upon them technically

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