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America sucks. Israel sucks. Capitalism is collapsing. Kill all slave owners. Fuck the police. Fuck centrists. Fuck landlords. McDonalds tastes like piss. I think rich people should be in gulags. Crackers can't cook. The Dems let Trump win. You probably can't even read this because your education system is gutted.

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[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 88 points 1 month ago

The shock liberalization of the Russian economy caused a massive drop in the quality of life that lead to millions of deaths and created the conditions for a strong arm man like Putin to come to power.

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 51 points 1 month ago

My new favorite bit for Ukraine libs hating on Putin is to say "So you agree, the world would be a better place if the USSR was never overthrown?"

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago

They also hate China because "it has billionaires," so I like asking them if they're Maoists.

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[-] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

A lot of them have in their mind that Putin is seeking to re-create the USSR. If only!

[-] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 month ago

The frequency of “HEXBEARS BAD, plz defederate” posts I’ve seen from some of the libbier instances has been higher the last week or two.

Amusingly most of them, once you review their post history to see what the unpleasant interaction they had was, seem to just be weird blue maga trolls. I still don’t get the concept of centrist trolls, like it just doesn’t compute.

Silver lining, all the defed posts reminded me that I don’t have to suffer having .world in my feed thanks to instance blocking.

[-] egonallanon@lemm.ee 67 points 1 month ago

I still find it funny that the majority of anticommunist posts I've seen are from people on instances who aren't federated with hexbear but they're just upset hexbear has fixed it's federation issues which is very funny to me.

[-] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 month ago

Yes, in most of the ones I’ve seen, they’re just pissed Hexbear exists it seems. Most of them also have no interest in discussion, they seem to only want internet community for mirroring their convictions.

[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago

Some are world people that for some reason think we used to be federated with them and trolled them until defederation, really funny.

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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago

I still don’t get the concept of centrist trolls, like it just doesn’t compute.

Centrists make sense when you realize they're just right-wingers in denial, purposefully or not.

You never hear shit from them that's remotely left-wing, it's always right-wing radio shock jockey bullshit disguised as "I'm a centrist, but"

[-] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 month ago

Yeah that’s probably true. Like a core of right wing, covered in a candy coated performative virtue signaling shell. But definitely ok with a little genocide, as long as it’s their guy, and he’s “distraught” about it.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

I'm a centrist. I think both anarchists and communists have a point.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

I'm a centrist but you Republicans keep pushing me further left with your extremist beliefs

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I bet it's every accusation a confession. Like they assume we have an ahistorical stance that isn't tempered with theory because they don't. They probably graft things that feel good, things they heard on TV, and anecdotes over uncomfortable situations. If we're saying "the world would be more or peaceful ~~with~~ WITHOUT I MEANT WITHOUT Israel and the US" they probably think saying something like "tariffs are what happen when you don't vote for Kamala" has equal sting and edginess. The fact that you come back and disagree with them defies their sense of the terminal nature of mud slinging. There's no Liberal Manifesto. What are they going to read? Kierkegard? You going to debate a communist with some shit written by Kissinger or something? You going to misunderstand Martlin Luther King Jr? No! You said something mean and the lefties were ready to talk about it and that's bewildering.

[-] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 month ago

Yeah ok your point about “there’s no liberal manifesto” neatly describes what I think I was trying to articulate. Which is, I understand more extreme behaviors from left and right—they’re farther from the cultural setpoint, and the farther you are from where you think you should be, the sorta stronger your rhetoric and convictions need to be in order to have a hope of moving things closer to a world you want. But for the liberal it’s basically just I mostly support the status quo (with small incremental changes to social issues at home!), and because of that, anything that’s not roughly the status quo represents a threat immediately.

Also I wonder in some cases, if it actually requires more mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance to maintain a pure liberal viewpoint, than to reside in the right or left. At least when you’re on either side of the spectrum, you have clear thoughts about how you disagree with the present and the direction things need to move, but if you are a status quo enjoyer, you have to somehow discount and explain away internally any thing that is ugly or not working, which is how we saw tons of these liberals urging us to tolerate an actual genocide in favor of preventing a hypothetically worse future genocide under Trump. And certainly, Trump will most likely be as bad or worse for Palestinians, but it was just shocking to see people claiming to hold progressive tendencies accepting what happened to Palestinians over the last year + of the Biden regime.

Clearly there were no actual red lines in terms of what actions were acceptable to undertake, instead it was: no matter how horrible our actions are, they are at least going to be slightly better than the opposition.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago

David Adler, from the University of Oxford's Department of Politics & International Relations, published a study in 2018, that demonstrated that in surveys of their views "centrists" were meaningfully, contrary to conventional rhetoric, more anti-democratic, least supportive of democratic institutions, and most supportive of what he classifies as "authoritarianism".

(That catch-all term again, I know) debord-tired

It's not very long (it's mostly survey results and graphs) and you can read it here.

I do think that you could argue that this is a manifestation of their ideology being predicated not on a fixed ideology or particular material reality, but on an almost gnostic belief in their own position as being simply 'the right one' and therefore all others being inherently worthless or even malevolent. It's essentially the divine right of kings but for self-defined superior wonks.

The benefit of having an ideology that's so rootless and immaterial is that you can shift to whatever position is neccessarily to maintain the status you create for yourself. The downside is that its immateriality means that it's a mirage, an illusion of a position, and so any alternative beyond its current makeup cannot be valid, but also the illusion cannot exist without defining itself against them.

All outside perspectives become an existential threat and can only be proclaimed to be untrue and from bad actors. Your material experience of the economy is wrong, everything's great! Views beyond my centerist consensus can't be real people, it must be disinfo spread by bots! Jewishness is definied by my narrow defininition the 'correct' amount of support for Israel in this moment! Yes, we wrote articles for 20 years about the worrying influence of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, but they've all just stopped being Nazis and are democratic patriots! History is sacrosanct until it differs with the personally beneficial version I was taught! We believe in science until listening to scientists on the climate or Covid would negatively influence my lifestyle or stock portfolio! And so on.

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[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

But for the liberal it’s basically just I mostly support the status quo (with small incremental changes to social issues at home!), and because of that, anything that’s not roughly the status quo represents a threat immediately.

The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.

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[-] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

There's no Liberal Manifesto. What are they going to read?

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

I'll one-up you: the Harry Potter series. This configuration of government was talked about in Harry Potter 4: Deathly Hollows when Harry had to demean a dementor:

blahblahlblahablaalhabalhalabalhabalh

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago

I could offer you sources for my claims but you'd just point out how they can be traced back to western government funded cutouts, you Tankie!

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

Every. Single. Time.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

Makes ya think

[-] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 57 points 1 month ago

McDonalds tastes like piss

I thought you liked piss? puzzled

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 57 points 1 month ago

America sucks. Israel sucks. Capitalism is collapsing.

This doesn't trigger them nearly as much as saying "China does some things well." Or any non US aligned state. Liberals are much more willing to concede that domestic policy is bad but never cross the foreign policy party line.

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think people instinctively understand that foreign policy is largely managed by unelected three-letter agency bureaucrats who couldn’t care less about who happens to be president in a given year. So foreign policy is outside of electoral politics and therefore outside of the concern of most Americans. Not to mention so much information is classified that the public can barely hold an informed opinion.

All of the above makes it easy to believe that somehow American foreign policy is immune to the clown show tendencies that pervade domestic electoral politics. We are also in the afterglow of Hoover’s FBI which was wildly successful in shaping the image of the government as a set of elite organizations run by the brightest people in the country.

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

I agree with all that, but I think it's largely that the average American doesn't care about things that don't directly affect them.

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Comrade Xi will be justice to the so called "workers" of the Amerikkka Empire

amerikkka xi-gun

[-] nothx@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

crackers can't cook

Talk to me when you’ve had my midwestern mother-in-laws cheesey salmon casserole.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

If it ain't cooked in a dishwasher, it ain't salmon.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

in a dishwasher

that's how I change sauces on my pasta!

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[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 month ago

I'll have you know she makes a mean Jell-O salad.

[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

I've had salmon cheese steak before. Cheese does not pair well with salmon.

[-] nothx@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

It does not at all. Some may say it’s sacrilege to mix dairy and seafood.

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Death to amerikkka

[-] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Boy I sure love bourgeois parlementiary democracy, right fellas?

[-] Castor_Troy@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

Kill Whitey!

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