Some people are still kept there even decades after becoming adults.

Special fuck-you to state rep Jeffrey Sanchez

Massachusetts state Representative Jeffrey Sanchez, whose nephew, Brandon, has been detained at the JRC since 1992, is a major proponent of the JRC and their practices. Sanchez has repeatedly blocked the passage of legislation that would threaten the center.

At least quarantine that shit to the dunk tank.

I'm not on hexbear to spend all my time thinking about libs lol, I'm on hexbear because I like hexbear. I like the riffs, and the topics, and the cool knowledgeable users who post stuff I would never see otherwise. I've learned a ton here over the years, and it really feels like a wholly unique space on the internet.

TLDR connecting far-flung regions into one huge grid can mitigate the intermittency of renewables. High-voltage direct current is a good way to do this.

You can join any lemmy and still interact with the others. Lemmy.ml does not require an email but you have to answer a questionnaire and wait to get approved. I got approved after a few minutes. The site is pretty overloaded now and some people are running into problems making accounts. lemmy.world requires an email, but you can use a temporary email and there's no questionnaire. Here's a list of federated lemmy sites https://the-federation.info/platform/73. Be wary of beehaw.org, they have some sketchy lib mods who have already blocked hexbear as a hatespeech site, which is unfounded to the point of absurdity. I would steer clear of associating your account with them, although it probably doesn't matter.

so, iirc, during account creation lemmy.ml has you answer three questions, which I think were:

• why do you want to join lemmy?
• what communities do you want to join?
• why did you choose this username?

my responses (which you can probably get away with paraphrasing) were something like:

• "i like the idea of a social network with no owners or venture capital calling the shots and shaping discourse"
• (i just glanced at the community list and named a few I liked, including /c/socialism, /c/china, and like /c/music)
• "[username] is already my username on another leftist forum that will probably federate with lemmy in the future"

hit the character limit

make sure to read sources before sharing them.

DO NOT COPY-PASTE THIS ON LEMMY LOL, THIS IS A BRAINSTORM FOR OUR USE

We should pool our sources and evidence in this thread so that people with approved lemmy accounts can start spreading it there.

Feel free to contribute lol, it's a lot of work for me to do on my own and I might miss stuff or make mistakes, although I'm gonna keep going help or no

I'll grab links in a second (and there are some good articles I'd like to find that gather lots of evidence in one place), but here's some stuff off the top of my head:

• Wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here is the cable)

• A spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed crowds of people walking out of the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale. Two wounded people are shown among them, possibly people who had been brought to the red cross station in the square, but no gunshots are heard, no one is running, and there are no bodies. (courtesy of /u/robinn, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage)

• two of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian and Liu Xiaobo, state that no one died in the square, and call out other organizers for lying (courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot: interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed, and Liu Xiaobo agrees with him — and also courtesy of /u/robinn, here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian and Liu Xiaobo)

• Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square. — be warned that this site also hosts some crank articles, you might want to focus on the sources)

• various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number

• an attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers

• CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago)

• during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — again, be warned that this site hosts some crank articles, so you might want to focus on the sources)

• toward the end protest signs were suddenly in English

• tank man: the guy survives and is led away by bystanders, and also the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night (also, courtesy of /u/robinn again: China in 1989 for one man vs. the U.S. in 2020 for a whole crowd and courtesy of /u/LegaliiizeIt, another video in the same vein)

• online photos of corpses were visibly taken elsewhere, not the square

• the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) courtesy of /u/robinn, here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.)

• the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit — again, be warned that this site hosts some crank articles, so you might want to focus on the sources)

I don't really have much off the top of my head for Uighur genocide stuff

• libs should hear who Zens is

• even the US State Department and the UN concede there is no mass killing in Xinjiang.

• western intelligence has been stoking and funding islamic extremism in Xinjiang. There's that talk by some American general or colonel where he acknowledges this, and I think there are other sources online as well

• /u/robinn made this card with lots of Uighur info

• Qiaocollective is a good source on Xinjiang, courtesy of /u/BynarsAreOk

I'll stick articles down here, some of which aggregate lots of evidence in one place

How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning ...edgy-sounding title though

1989: Tiananmen Square ‘massacre’ was a myth

How Much Longer Do We Need to Propagate Lies About Tiananmen Square?

Tiananmen — The Big Lie

Tiananmen: The Massacre that Wasn’t

1989 Tiananmen Square "Student Massacre" was a hoax

The Truth Behind the Myth of the 'Tiananmen Square Massacre' - Opinion Piece By Dr. Dennis Etler

Notes for 30th Anniversary of TianAnMen Incident, courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot

Tiananmen Square Massacre – Facts, Fiction and Propaganda Lots of good images and western media quotes, but the site hosts some goofy articles so be careful citing it

Let’s talk about Tiananmen Square, 1989: My hearsay is better than your hearsay

Birth of a massacre myth, courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot

CBS news: There was no "Tiananmen Square Massacre", courtesy of /u/robinn

a NYT questioning the massacre, courtesy of /u/robinn and here's a pastebin rip

dessalines, a Lemmy dev, has a good socialism FAQ, including sections on Tiananmen, courtesy of /u/PorkrollPosadist

[link] [link] these two /r/ChangeMyView comments on China are great, courtesy of /u/geikei

[link] [link] [link] Some old hexbear threads, courtesy of /u/Finger

not China, but /u/robinn also made a carrd on the DPRK and linked a good twitter thread by ProleWiki

Comments in this thread to check out. I'll try to also add their info up here.

/u/robinn: https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3513792

/u/Awoo suggests keeping things short and digestible instead of posting long effortposts, since libs will just count on people not reading the whole thing and they will point at it and say "See? They deny the Uighur genocide" or "See, they deny Tiananmen" https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3514089

/u/GnastyGnuts has some great links but I hit char limit https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3514972

/u/Krause has more great links https://hexbear.net/comment/3529874

Lemmy posts and comments from us

by /u/GarbageShoot: https://lemmy.ml/comment/476526