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Liberals have literally learned NOTHING from 9/11. Conservatives didn't either but I don't count them because they're just fascists who never met a war they didn't love. (hexbear.net)

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I mean in regards to stuff like throwing around the term "terrorism" with no analysis or insight into a group or people actions, WHY it happened. Believing the media narrative about the "barbaric" hordes we need to go and kill. The propaganda that empires put out to subjugate the global south. All this stuff that was laid bare with the original 9/11, that libs love to smugly look back on and claim "oh I never supported that, I was smarter than that" (need I remind you that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney got rehabilitated, by liberals, too). And no here they are, just back at it again as if the last 20 years never happened.

I hate liberals, I really do. These people are not your fucking friends.

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[-] iie@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

in circumstances like this, the word "terrorism" is used as a thought-terminating cliche, to depict the enemy as an unreasoning malevolent force with no external motivations, to simplify a complex situation and cultivate vague blanket support for any response against the enemy, no matter how destructive, misguided, or counterproductive.

[-] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe, I also think people too often just talk about how complex and nuanced the situation is as a reason that they don’t want to make firmer statements denouncing the actions that have taken place and the ideologies that have inspired those actions.

I hope we can acknowledge both things.

[-] iie@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the ideologies that have inspired those actions

Look at Gaza. 50% of the children are fucking suicidal. 90% of the water is contaminated. Most of the people are unemployed. The Israeli government uses openly genocidal and racist rhetoric.

You don't get to skip right to ideology and ignore the material realities that shape people. Hamas didn't arise in a vacuum because someone read the Quran one day and said "oh fuck, god wants the Israelis to die! Had I not read this text, I would otherwise feel no animosity toward the Israelis!"

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

The only reason the ideology of Hamas is in charge of Gaza, instead of a more secular movement toward liberation, is because Israel funded them to drive a wedge between Gaza and the West Bank. Without that interference, the ideology would be broadly socialist.