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Liberals will fight and die on the hill of protecting Ukrainian neo-nazis.

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[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I've never been able to get an answer to this, I just get flamed for asking and I'm honestly approaching this in good faith. What's the deal with the lefts support of Russia?

I get it, NATO is bad and has a very long track record of war crimes. But modern Russia isn't the USSR, they're a corrupt capitalist state just like those that make up NATO. I think Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine and that Ukraine has a right to defend itself, perhaps the west should've stayed out of it. I'm not a fan of either of them but the critique of the situation in Ukraine seems pretty one sided in online left spaces.

[-] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly I don't think I've seen many actually "pro-Russia" people in all my time on Hexbear. Pretty much all anti-Ukraine and anti-NATO sentiment seems to get interpreted by others as 'Russia good', rather than 'Russia might be best of two evils to win if this shitty war must have a victor'.

Geopolitically, since the heavily west-backed Euromaidan protests, the eastern regions of Ukraine have clearly disagreed and consistently wanted to split. Russia has spent 8 years trying to push two main demands: Stop bombing civilians in Donetsk/Luhansk and give the eastern Ukraine regions a vote on their autonomy. You could argue not Russia's business, but they're not super evil asks either. They're both things Ukraine agreed to do, twice, but never did. How long does Russia stand by while Ukraine makes false promises and kills innocent ethnic Russians asking for help? And there's no denying Ukraine has a.. questionably large scale of fascism in its government.

Russia bad. Russia absolutely bad fuck them. They should not have started this war and they're absolute dicks for it. But they and their aggression don't exist in a vacuum - the war was reasonably avoidable. Now we should be focusing on peace, not hungrily thirsting for more war that will continue to fuck Ukraine and its innocent civilians up for decades to come. Sadly, that seems to be what a lot of the West/USA/EU/NATO want.

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