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[-] cynar@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

While I'm rusty as hell, my physics degree was actually focused quite a lot into QM.

It's perfectly possible to get a reasonable understanding of what's going on without going head first into the maths. There are definitely areas however that we don't have a good conceptual model of yet. For those, the maths definitely leads the way. 90% of QM is comprehendible with relatively little maths. You only need the maths when you start to get predictive.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I don’t think you can get the intuitive feel/the “why” without the maths.

I guess I get frustrated when I have to teach algebra based introductory physics for similar reasons - everything makes so much more sense when you understand how the pieces fit together. (Why make them memorize d=d0+v0t+1/2at^2 when all that is integrating a constant twice? That you can set v=0 to find the time of maximum height, because you’re using a derivative to find a max! And then that helps you get why it works, and then even how to possibly explore non constant acceleration!)

I got really fucked over because I didn’t take linear (at all - advising in my physics department was non existent which lead to things like taking classical before Diff Eq lol) and so things like eigenvalues - which tbh I think is kinda the money shot - that things end up quantized and discrete - that took a while for me to get what that meant.

[-] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

I find QM quite confusing, in that one can observe only the eigenvalues and not the state itself. Why is it specifically, or is this wrong conceptualization? Also, how does particle-ness relate to the eigenvalues?

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Eigenvalues come from linear algebra. I think a difficult think in general with understanding them is often the failure of most middle/high school math teachers to teach matrix operations at all. (I’m guessing because matrix multiplication never shows up on SAT/ACT). Here’s a good explanation for the math on finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

But basically eigenvalues are going to be associated with certain matrixes/vectors. You take a “Hamiltonian” of a system, which is a way of describing possible energy values in the system, and it’ll give you a set of possible answers - pairs of eigenvalues and eigenvectors that describe the system.

In effect - you get things like the quantum numbers. That the 1st energy level has 1 subshell can hold 2 electrons, both with opposing spins. That the 2nd energy level has a 2s subshell that holds two, that 2p holds six. You get your n (1st energy level, 2nd so on as you go down periods of the periodic table), l (subshell - don’t get a SPeeDy F), m (which breaks down where in the subshell they are) and the need for opposing spins.