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Not defending Tesla, but phantom braking is an issue on a lot of new cars, even without autopilot. It's the Advanced Emergency Braking System (AEBS) that is now required in the EU. I don't think any manufacturer has figured out a way to make it 100% reliable yet.
BMW i5 driver here, no Phantom braking in 30000km Autobahn
Volkswagen ID.7 driver here, previously Tesla Model 3.
Haven't had a single phantom break event with the VW.
Yeeeah... No.
Zero phantom braking events in 2.5 years and 27k miles of Taycan ownership. Some during very low speed tight quarters parking situations, but not once on the road or at speed.
One anecdote doesn't mean much, but is it really as much of an issue with non-Teslas as you think?
I've had two pretty bad events with a Ford and a Mercedes. The Ford hit the brakes at 160 km/h on the wide open Autobahn for absolutely no reason. The Mercedes did it on a more rural road and caused the person behind me to honk their horn. I figure that one might've been caused by the bushes growing close to the road but it still wasn't very pleasant.
Ford made a bad car? Are you shitting me here?!
We cant even get cars to not freak the fuck out and set off alarms for an iced over sensor or a pothole, those sensors have no business having control over the brakes
I wanted to ask about this: automated braking for pedestrians is a new safety requirement for new cars in the USA, which means it must be safe enough as a mature technology. Is the Tesla self-driving doing something different? Why does the automated braking for pedestrians system not have the problem of spurious braking at speed?
"which means it must be safe enough"
What makes you think this?
Because I trust the regulating authorities to be professionals and do due diligence on their new proposed regulations. This is why we have a government.
Someone who's more knowledgeable than me might have access to the documents behind their decision to independently verify.