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Didn't Pompeii literally have dicks carved into the street to point the way to the nearest brothel? I think the classical world was incredibly sexually liberated and similarly exposed to sex a lot more than we are.
large parts of the the classical world were slave societies, including pompeii. that level of sexual exploitation really strikes me as at odds with 'sexual liberation'
Liberation is when human trafficking.
I think we need Marx here. When you just have little depictions of nudity and sex as art pieces here and there it's a very different phenomenon compared to the commodification of sex. When we're talking about a commodity, it fundamentally transforms the relation we have with the object, it stops being just a thing that exists with a use value, to being a product that is brought to market and owned. It is produced in mass. Exploitation and alienation become parts of the operating process necessary for it to enter the market. So on and so forth.
Guy. You're comparing Internet porn to a society where there were prostitution currencies and brothels staffed by slaves
Yeah, that's a very fair point so maybe you need to go back further in history for my comment to make full sense, since sex was already commodified in ancient Rome.
not only that but the city had a prominent statue of Pan fucking a goat lol
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i think there's probably a qualitative difference between vulgar graffiti and having a tiny machine in your pocket that has, and will be incentivized to create more, limitless simulations of people fucking for your gratification at any time.
I wouldnt say liberated, but there was no filter. Graffiti of gay and lesbian (yes they were aware that it's possible) was found on the walls of public spaces. There is a story from ancient greek, where soldiers get another soldier's boyfriend to watch to give him courage in battle or something. There were mock law trials in rome, which place women and men on equal levels of being possible victims of SA.
More so than medieval Europe I guess, but idk if the sheer amount and availability really compares. I dunno I’m not like a sex scholar by any means tho our current circumstances just feel a bit unique to me.
search "Jesus' side-wound", there is literally art where jesus is a transmasc icon giving birth to the church.
he got that stigmatussy tho