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If any Democrat accepts funds from Musk they've lost my vote.
If they take his money and then release a public statement calling him a nazi piece of shit who will never have any influence in their office I'd allow it. Bonus points if they promise Musk they won't do that before doing it.
Otherwise, yeah. Musk needs to be a Kanye level pariah at least for what he's done.
I'm mixed on this. I understand the sentiment, but it probably depends on who they're running against. If it's a red state and they're running against a republican, I would be fine with them taking the money.
Musk is a nazi, as evidenced by his nazi salute earlier this year.
Any democrat that accepts nazi money, it's saying they're fine with nazis, which makes them a nazi, because the only scum that's fine with nazis, are other nazis.
You can't condemn nazi behavior while taking money from nazis, and allowing them to support you. You tell them to fuck all the way off, because the only thing a nazi deserves is the comfort of a grave.
I would say the more compelling evidence is the fact that his entire family wealth is a direct result of Apartheid, and now that it has earned him literal richest man in the world status, he uses that status to go out in public and, without a hint of irony, say that white people in South Africa are victims of racism.
I see what you're saying, but taking nazi money from a nazi to spend and then using it to do good in the world? It's like an ethics trolley problem.
Taking nazi money by seizing his assets is how you go about using nazi money, not by accepting the support of a nazi. If you're accepting the support of a nazi, you're no better than conservatives currently accepting the support of nazis.
I feel like that's the best option and you're right. I just don't see that happening in America now or in the near future. The next best option is to do what the other poster said and say they will not be bought and won't be doing anything he asks before they take the money. Also, again, they're not going against another democrat.
By accepting money from a nazi, they're saying they can be bought by a nazi. It's lobbying, and it's why we file taxes for a return every year, why climate change is ignored, internet isn't a utility, weed is federally illegal, and the fairness doctrine got chucked out the window.
That will win you a moral high ground and lose you an election thereby extending a fascist rule. Money wins elections. You can't "sieze assets" when you aren't in office. It's delusional to think someone will be able to turn down money from the biggest donors and get into any position that will change something meaningful at this point. They need to make sure the money doesn't have any strings attached to it, and get into office. Then make changes.
I wouldn’t say I’d be “fine” with them taking the money under any circumstance. But it’s never going to lead me to voting for repugnacans either directly or indirectly through abstaining.
That's what I'm afraid of, that this would lead people to vote 3rd party or republican. Republicans being split up would be great too.
I’d go so far as to say Musk donating to a democrat candidate may be done explicitly as a poison pill to reduce support from the base.
You can refuse donations. Or publicly disavow his support if it's in the form of independently bought media.
Ah, so you're fine with Republicans winning.
And you're fine with nazis getting involved with the party? That's some dumb fuck conservative double think.
You really strongly believe in Citizens United, I guess? A dollar means nothing. It's something you exchange for goods and services. If Musk gives a dollar to a Democratic candidate, he's simply empowering that candidate. It's not some kind of evil spell that instantly contaminates the candidate.
Sheesh, no wonder American politics is such an irredeemable mess of authoritarianism.
You said it yourself. Money is exchanged for goods and services. What is Musk buying? His history doesn't lean towards good will.
He's buying a Democrat into power.
If Musk donated money to an animal shelter would you conclude that puppies must be evil? Look at what's being done, not who it's being done by.
Brother there's no amount of lesser of two evils that lets you pick a Nazi. That's a fucking Line in the Sand.
I'm not saying vote for Musk. I'm saying vote for a Democrat.
If they're on musk's payroll that's who you're really voting for. Not even mentioning the fact that if you're taking Nazi money well..
So it's trivial for Musk to decide who you vote for, then. You don't care about the candidate's position, just whose "team" he's on.
It's kind of pathetic watching Americans continue sabotaging their chances of getting out of authoritarian control even now. What will it take to end that purity spiral?
If you think voting for a guys who work for Nazis is how you get out of authoritarian control I don't know what to tell you. Also musk isn't the one deciding that there. The candidates are. If they show me that they're Nazi sympathizers I'm not going to vote for them. If you find that to be a weird Line in the Sand for somebody then I find that really weird about you.
I'll say it again my Line in the Sand is nazis. If you think that's a purity test fine I'm comfortable with that. That's one that I'm proud to have.
Right. Mine too. And supporting the Republican candidate in the upcoming elections means you're supporting the nazi candidate.
The US is a two party system. If you don't vote for one, you're tacitly supporting the other. That's how Trump got into power. I have no sympathy for people who continue to perpetuate his power.
It's clearly not your line since you are sitting here saying you should vote for nazis.
You think Democrats are nazis?
If they're taking money and orders from Elon Musk yes. That's what I'm saying. I said it a number of times even.
The "and orders" part is something you're assuming.
Buddy if you're going to sit here and pretend that that's not how political donations work I don't have any time for you.
And you're worth talking to? You're fine with handing a vote to a Republican based on nothing other than where the funding for the Democrat's campaign came from.
As I pointed out above, the US is a two-party system. You pick one or you pick the other. You're picking the Republicans. Good luck with that.
You're advocating for voting for people whose loyalties lie with nazis.
There is and will never be any clean way to take money from Nazis. We call those people who do Nazis. If you don't have any morals about saying no to Nazis that's your choice some of us do. There's no political election where you should choose between two Nazis. Never. There is no political calculation that makes it okay ever. Cuz again they are Nazis. That's what you're endorsing. You're saying choose the lesser of two Nazis (hint no such thing). There's the line of the sand enjoy being on the wrong side.
And so Musk can instantly and trivially get you to drop your support for any Democrat he wants to. He decides who you vote for.
When you have only two choices, then yes choose the lesser Nazi. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. You think it's appropriate to chose the greater Nazi?
We already talked about this before but I guess you missed it so I'll say it again. They choose to take the money. If they're not Nazis they would say no I'm not taking Elon Musk money he's a Nazi. If they take it then they're Nazis so no he's not making the choice they are. I'm believing them when they tell me they're a Nazi.
Also since you cut it out of your quote there I'll say again, there's no such thing as the Lesser Nazi. There's just Nazis. You're arguing for voting for Nazis. Literally you've done it multiple times now. I won't do that. I don't care that you think there are good Nazis out there I don't fucking believe that. The only good Nazi is a Dead Nazi.
They can choose to take the money and not do whatever it is Musk is telling them to do.
This is the absolute black-and-white with-us-or-against-us purity spiral that I've been criticizing this whole thread. If you're going to refuse to support a Democrat the moment he strays slightly from your perfect ideal, even by association rather than by any actual action, then you're useless when it comes to helping America's political disaster. You just keep screaming "Nazi, nazi, nazi!" And provide no actual benefit.
This discussion well and truly Godwinned.
At least you're honest about wanting two nazi parties.
It’s a fine line to walk. We do not want to support anyone who freely gets in bed with Musk, but draw too hard a line and we end up with worse (see supporters of Palestine and Biden/Harris/Trump.)
Ah, so you're fine with nazis.
There is no line with centrists.