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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 22 points 19 hours ago

I'm trying not to be a doomer. Trying-trying-trying.

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 32 points 19 hours ago

The United States, with all its imperial swagger and might, was unable to destroy Iraq. Afghanistan defeated the imperialists, with tremendous cost yes, but they won nonetheless. I have no doubt a similar fate awaits them in the mountains of Iran.

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago

Okay so Iraq isnt destroyed and has regained much of its autonomy, but it still houses thousands of American soldiers and beyond a few armed miltants doesn't have means to challenge the US, let alone the political will to do so.

I dont think it weakens your point to exclude it though, just that I don't consider Iraq's occupation "defeated" yet.

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 4 points 16 hours ago

Yeah that's why I didn't say Iraq defeated the imperialists, just that they weren't destroyed. Iraq is still a thing, millions of people live and die in Iraq, living out full lives filled with joys and disappointments.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 20 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

There's still a way out of this that doesn't involve Iran surrendering (purely my opinion, obviously) but Iran basically has to threaten to drag the rest of the Gulf down with it if they get hit, with special emphasis on hitting any economic assets that the West is invested in. Money and violence are the only languages these people understand. Telling Donald Trump that he can strike Iran but all of his assets in the UAE are going to be destroyed by rocket/missiles is speaking his language.

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago

I think that's their plan, but that does also risk dragging in extra countries that Iran has worked hard to normalise with in recent years.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago

What good is normalized diplomatic relations if Iran is regime changed? These countries are doing worse than nothing, they are actively assisting the zionist entity. They made their decision

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago

Moreso that even if they're doing nothing more to help iran now, they could do more to hurt Iran instead.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 3 points 15 hours ago

Pretty sure they will have their hands full with evacuating their entire populations once desalination plants go down

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

These are countries that have signed the Abraham Accords, house US troops, are actively participating the defense and logistical support or Israel, or are allowing others to do so in their territory. They already picked a side. Assad thought that he was going to reconcile with the other Arab states, too, and look how that worked out for him.

[-] Chertstone@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago

They have to basically close the strait of Hormuz. After all they said they would go after western assets in the region if the usa attacked.

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