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If one upload slows down your internet you probably need a router that has a better packet scheduler. I recommend you look for one that uses FQ-CoDel
You’re ignoring the fact that most areas of the US are hamstrung by super shitty asymmetric up/down bandwidths (fuck you very much, Comcast). I have 1.3gbps down… and 30mbps up, per the contract.
Why don’t you switch to a different ISP? Last time I checked I could choose from 13 different ISPs on fiber alone, and that’s in ‘socialist’ Europe. I can’t even dream of how many options someone in ‘free market’US must have.
Regulatory capture means that a shockingly high proportion (I’d be willing to bet it’s a strong majority) of unitedstatesians have precisely one viable option for an ISP with meaningfully high speed.
Source: I’ve been forced to purchase Comcast for the vast majority of my adult life, and I’ve lived in a bunch of different neighborhoods in two major US cities.
Edit: this is fine, I am fine with this
.....yeah, because THATS what this post is about!
Why not have a fun joke and some education?
I'll play. Without assuming where anyone is from, I'll add that the vast majority of US residential Internet connections, especially those in rural areas, are not only slower than they are in much of Europe (for example) but are commonly asymmetrical, too. Meaning even if someone has a gigabit connection, often it's only 1Gbps in one direction for Americans while the maximum upstream throughput may be closer to 50Mbps. Even a top-of-the-line, 5 figure Cisco or Juniper router can't do much to improve that situation for the end user when someone starts uploading large video files.
That said, fortunately or unfortunately (as our President says), incest isn't exclusive to Alabama,
So... we shouldn't learn about things because the internet in the US sucks?
I believe every internet connection in the world is asymmetric. Most people download way more than they upload.
How you use it may be asymmetric but the actual connection being sold that way is garbage. I have 1200mbps down but only 35mbps up. If you’re downloading something over TCP(most stuff) then you need to send acknowledgment packets back to the server you’re downloading from. The faster you download the more upload you use as well. When your connection is as imbalanced as mine then almost any upload of even a moderate size is gonna make a huge dent in your download speed. I’m moving to a 3gbps symmetrical fiber line…
TCP ACK packages are tiny compared to the payload. I’m not sure this is really your issue.
Edit: To prove the point, this is me downloading a large file. The download to upload ratio is about 40:1.
My download speed to upload speed is about 34:1 (1200/35=34.286). They really don’t give you much more upload speed than what’s required for you to actually hit the advertised download speed.
Yes but my point was that some people don't even have a choice.
That was the theory once upon a time, but with the incease of working from home, schooling from home, the sheer number of people who are streaming etc. it's increasingly common for people to need solid up as well as down.
Why would you need a big upload capacity for streaming?
As in, being the streamer. Uploading video to Twitch or Onlyfans or whatever.
Didn’t think of that. Thanks for clarifying.
Language is ambiguous; hosting a live television show from your house and watching Stranger Things are both called "streaming."
Nope mine's 1 GB down 1 GB up I've checked and it is. True I'll probably never use the upload capability to anything nothing about maybe 4% of its capacity but that's why the company can offer 1 gigabit up.
Love lemmy for that though :( Where would i learn about fqcodel if not here.
Tbf it has 2 of 4 panels complaining about slow Internet.
Does uploading slow down downloading? I thought the two processes were totally decoupled. How does this work?
Yes, it can slow down downloading.
(The explanation below is simplified quite a bit)
When you download the server that is sending you the file doesn’t just dump all the data onto the network in one go. They don’t know how fast you can receive and it’s not like the routers along the way will buffer large amounts of data. It needs to figure out how fast it can send.
So how does it do this? The sender sends a few packets of data and then waits for the receiver to acknowledge reception before it sends more data. Now the acknowledgment message isn’t that big so when downloading the amount of data sent back (uploaded) is just a tiny fraction of the amount downloaded, so that usually doesn’t matter.
The problem occurs when your local network is much faster than your internet upload and your router isn’t smart about which packets to send first. A good router will not allocate all the spots in the outgoing queue to the connection doing the large upload and instead will make sure the connection with smaller amounts of outgoing data will get a fair turn.
If your router isn’t smart like that the ‘data received, please send more’ packets may be delayed because of all the other outgoing packets and thus slow down the download.
If your router's cpu is locked 100% because of an upload it can't handle additional download, probably. This could be improved with a more powerful cpu or a more efficient process of sorting out up- and downloads. At least that's what I got from the original comment. I'm not a networking expert (far from it) so take this with a big grain of salt.
On the ISP end sometimes non symmetrical equipment is used, especially on copper coaxial which are used much like "wired wifi" in that data is transported by encoding it into frequency bands. Each frequency band can only be used up OR down per cable, so ISPs tend to dedicate more frequency bands to the downlink than to the uplink.
And as others mentioned, the commonly used TCP protocol will slowly ramp up bandwidth by having the server send a burst of packets, the client acknowledges, then the server sends more packets faster and the client acknowledges again, and once the client and server starts noticing packet losses it backs down and resend the lost packets a bit slower, until the connection bandwidth is stable. If you fail to send acknowledgements the server will back down on the connection speed even if you're able to receive at full speed
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