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No it fucking isn't. You really think anybody who voted R in the last election isn't going to vote R in the next one, assuming we even have another election?
Fuck them. We saw what they did.
There's this giant fucking myth of "crossover voters" but what few of them they are, are statistically insignificant.
What can make them significant, is giving them something to cross party lines for.
08 Obama we all thought he was really a progressive and even as a Black man with the middle name Hussien he got traditional Republican voters to vote D and flipped a shit ton of red states.
If trump pisses off maga voters, best case scenario they don't vote for a couple elections.
At this point thinking trump can do anything to make them vote D is willing naivety.
I was listening to a radio show (CBC) who had an expert on voting demographics. He was saying that a fairly sizeable portion of Trump's base were irregular voters. That is to say, they only turn out if they feel strongly enough about something, and the promise they believed was that he would fight corruption.
They also have a core belief that the gov't is run by a cabal of pedophiles, and that Trump would fix that. Backing down on the Epstein files is a huge slap in the face to them.
So while you're absolutely right that these people would probably never cross the aisle and vote democrat, as you say, what they're more likely to do is just not vote.
Many of them voted D during 2008 and 2012. Why do you think they would never flip back?
So are we supposed to just give up and just accept that every election is going to swing to the right now? Assuming they don't rig elections, how are we expected to get people over to the other side if we treat them like garbage even if they realized they fucked up? I don't think it's very wise in this current situation to continue to make enemies when we are all in danger. The fact that people are breaking away should be a good thing and we should encourage it instead of just calling them stupid. If one of your friends joined a cult and managed to get out, would you be pissed at your friend for falling for it or be pissed at the cult that manipulated them? In cults there are always hierarchies and the majority of MAGA are not the people we see in podcasts and on the news. Those are the people in charge and are the ones that convince people to join for their own selfish reason by being loud and portraying themselves as the victims.
Seriously, go look up videos of people that were in cults and tell me that it's their fault. There are people that would rather kill themselves than try and leave the cult because they are so scared. We only see this on a macroscopic scale while we never consider the small scale things going on all over the country. These people have literally been brainwashed and the people on the "outside" would rather call them stupid than give them a chance at fixing things. All that does is reinforce the idea that the cult is better because everyone else hates them.
Edit: I'm not saying we need to forgive them. All I'm saying is treat them like people instead of all of them being monsters.
I'm all for treating anyone with decency once they start acting like people, and not monsters. They're not going to get a welcome by clinging to their racism and conspiracies.
The electorate didn't shift red. More of their unreliable voters showed up and fewer of our unreliable voters did. That's it. It's not like there was a population wide blue shift in 2020 that Trump then countered by being welcoming to Democrats.
Actually yes, there are going to be a very noticable amount of people swinging back to the other side. Most people are dipshits who voted trump because they forgot what he did the first time. They may not vote away from republicans but democrats have a huge window of opportunity to blow away
They're not going to flip to democrat over this. They still hate all the same people republicans hate. Trump just fucked up on this one thing. The best we can hope for is someone else pops up on the conservative side to split the vote.
Nah man, most people voted "well everything is getting expensive under biden lets do trump again". Most of these dickheads are morons, not malicious
Literally every person I know who voted Trump is malicious.
I know plenty as well but most i know did so because they thought "it would be funny" or "i didnt look anything up" or "biden economy" or some other of the dumbest excuses