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True but it's a minor point. Even if every single lefty held the line it wouldn't have made a difference. The people who didn't vote were mostly disengaged normal people and the blame for that is squarely on the Democrats for sucking absolute shit on purpose because of big money in politics.
Have some perspective, pick better fights with worse people. I personally find it extremely unmoving when the left chastises people over politics so good job emulating one of their worst and least politically effective qualities.
Instead, I humbly suggest you try to inspire a shred of hope among the cynical and apathetic - but deep down actually very cool people of the EarthđźŚ
As I've repeatedly pointed out, this is demonstrably not true on the Gaza issue ALONE.
But who needs facts and data when you have vibes to defend and assert as truth?
I love the part where leftists peddling little Nazi enablement get asspats, but anyone criticizing them gets the fucking tone police weeping over their poor wittle hurt feelings.
There were two pro-palestine campaigns: The Uncommited movement and Abandon Harris. The Uncommited people ended up endorsing Kamala, while Abandon Harris endorsed Jill Stein - who only got 0.56 % of the vote. So not only would it make no fucking difference if every single Jill voter had gone for Kamala, but the rest of the movement ACTIVELY supported Harris. And this movement was not even the left - it included the left sure, but it was a broad coalition of various demographics - not JUST the left!
So show me the data - I am not going through your comment history looking for it.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
If that is true, then it sounds like the Dems should start catering to the left, instead of telling them to sit down and shut up.
Additionally, that poll says "...a top reason...", not the only reason. Look at the other issues listed in the poll:
All things that the Democrats keep campaigning on, but doing practially nothing about.
Fucking lol.
You are telling me that these 19 million people are terminally online stalinists instead of opinion-having normal people?
Is there a secret bit in the article that proves that part? You said it was demonstrable facts and data and then did a backflip and folded your arms so I really hope you aren't making shit up right now
1/3 of 19 million is 6.33 million. And honestly, if you told me that there were 6.33 million terminally online Stalinists in America, a country of some 330 million people, I might look at you a bit askew, but it wouldn't be out of the question.
Your original accusation that it wasn't 'left' voters who abstained, but 'mostly disengaged normal people'. I don't know how many normal people you talk to, but I assure you, in the US, even the moderately political are generally tuned the fuck out on foreign affairs. For someone to abstain for the issue of Gaza, specifically, is not 'mostly disengaged' nor 'normal people'; by and large, they would have been in the top half of engaged voters, at the least - and considering overwhelming US opinions on Israel and Palestine, even by 2024 (which saw the first major shift in my lifetime on the issue), those who abstained would have overwhelmingly been strongly pro-Palestine types.
Left narratives absolutely influenced the broader discussion on the Palestine genocide, including the notion that "both sides" (of the American political spectrum) were entirely identical on the subject, allowing the GOP to go all-in to appeal to Zionists whilst simultaneously and effectively painting the Dems as antisemitic (to Zionists) and Israeli genocidaires (to anti-Zionists), as seen by GOP strategists running ads simultaneously pushing both negative views in swing states with large Jewish or Arabic populations.
You are absolutely right. Few people ever claimed the Dems are in any way perfect, they aren't, but the constant stream of posts here that seem to have only one purpose, ensuring the fascists hold power, disgusts me to no end. "It's all the Dems fault! , because if they would only adhere to my left ideology which is -totally- popular in socialism hating America, they would have won" is not getting us out of this any time soon.
In November, the difference was clear. One party offered slow incremental improvements on many real issues. Letting society adapt to these changes as they go along. The other stood for the wanton destruction of everything as you see now.
Making sure people hate the other party, in this stupid two party system is making sure the dictatorship can go on as it pleases forever.
Dude complaining about it isn't helping. You aren't entitled to anyone else's vote. They can vote how they want. I don't like it either but that's how democracy works.
Focus your energy on something you can control
I never said I was. Like Trump voters, however, using one's power to vote to enable literal fucking Nazis is worthy of fucking criticism.
All this is informing them how utterly and horribly ineffective protest-non-voting and 3rd party voting is.
Ok but it's too late he is already the president. Thanks for telling them I guess but I'm sick of hearing it. It's not helping I'll downvote this shit all day
.... And the next election, protest-non-voting and 3rd party could will be just as ineffective.
This has been going on for decades. This isn't just about 2024. It's also 2000 and Gore. 2016 and Hilary. Hell you could even include 2010, 2012, 2014 under Obama where he lost Congress. And 2018 when Biden lost Congress. And 1994, 1996, 1998 when Clinton lost Congress. Etc.
So no it's not too late because it seems we have to educate protest non voters and 3rd party voters pretty close to every single election.
There have also been people saying the same thing you are for decades and yet here we are. But surely your post will be the one that convinces everyone.
My problem really isn't the message you are trying to get across it's more so the arrogance that you are using to say it. It sounds pompous and condescending. Like you know better than those people. You're just some douche on the Internet like the rest of us lol.
Why would someone listen to anything you say if you insult their intelligence while saying it?
The education continues.
Lmao accusing me of arrogance. You are dripping with it Mr. "But surely your post will be the one that convinces everyone." Lol you are everything you accuse other people of being. AND (just gonna fill this part in) look at what it's gotten everyone. That's literally the whole point.