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TIL: it's the voters fault when a political party is incompetent.
In the 2024 US Presidential election, one of two candidates was going to win: Trump or Harris. FPTP+EC guarantees that.
Every person who didn't vote in that race was half a vote for the worst candidate. More to the point, every person who didn't vote in a handful of critical states was more than an entire vote for the worst candidate.
Remember how pretty much every thread leading up to the election had a bunch of chodes hollering about gEnOcIdE, only in reference to Democrats? And then the moment the election was over, that essentially stopped? I wonder why.
US military aid to Israel is a long story. The US has very longstanding agreements with Israel which all administrations must abide by. And I know this is hindsight, but how's that Palestinian genocide going since Jan 20, 2025? All fixed now, yes? Wait, it's gotten worse? Who could have seen that coming?
The Democrats lost millions of votes across the country at every level of the polls. If there are that many leftists that can tank the Democrats, then they should have been doing everything they could to pander to that base instead of pulling out the most vile Republicans from 20 years ago. Or they lost millions of votes because they spent 4 years telling people who got laid off, and could no longer afford rent and groceries that the economy was stronger than ever and they would keep the course. The Democrats banked hard on being Republican light and were blown away that they lost millions of votes. They still insist on doubling down on centrist bullshit because they don't want to enact the actual societal changes that everyone knows need to occur.
Fascism abroad wasn't enough, we needed fascism at home too.
"It's not my fault I supported fascism, Kamala Harris should of done better" - Lemmy progressives
I'd like to see any kind of evidence that progressives supported fascism. Also, if Harris did want the progressive vote, then yes, she should have done better.
The party's incompetence is its own; the results of an election are on us.
"But the anti-fascist coalition wasn't exciting enough! And they weren't competent enough for my tastes! So I decided to let the fascists win" is abso-fucking-lutely on the voter.
More than one actor can be guilty at once. Shocking, I know.
the Democrats were not "the anti-fascist coalition", the politicians at least were pretty uniformly agreed on continuing their preferred genocide.
You were arguing that their genocidal behavior was a lesser evil than what the Republicans are capable of. That may be true, but it doesn't suddenly make the Democrats an anti-fascist coalition.
The Democrats were literally the anti-fascist coalition against the Republicans openly promising fascism. Sorry that you think Alligator Auschwitz is just "business as usual".
as long as you're not Palestinian the Democrats are "anti-fascist™"
If supporting Israel, a fascist state, in foreign policy makes one fascist (a point of view equivocating support with total identification that I strongly disagree with, mind) the vast majority of the US is fascist, including a supermajority of Dem voters, and you aren't going to win a democratic election on an anti-fascist platform.
Harris expressed a shift away from the unconditional Zionism of Biden and was punished by voters for it. Surely that will teach the DNC to [checks notes] support Israel less.
"But we let the MORE Zionist candidate win because we OPPOSE Zionism!"
Damn bang-up job of expressing that, like beating a dog for not coming to you fast enough when ordered.
If "winning" means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that was not too visible.
"Israel couldn't do it if the Houthis weren't suppressed!"
Fucking lol.
Congratulations, you get your wish. Now millions more people will be murdered, including millions more Palestinians. Congratulations on being an even bigger Palestinian genocide supporter than Joe fucking Biden! It's no small achievement, so if you want, I can find you a sticker to wear proudly, if you like.
Love the scattershot reply to a simple statement. Keep beating that dog, it'll come to you eventually.
the point is that they deployed multiple carrier strike groups to protect shipping to Israel, that's pretty direct support. The attacks have been making an impact.
"to protect shipping to Israel"
Golly gee, it's sure a good thing that shipping to Israel is what the Houthis have been targeting all this time, right?
... r-right...?
The Houthis are Iranian proxies whose primary concern is serving Iranian foreign policy interests in disrupting international trade that has very little to do with Israeli shipping and resulted in fucking Egypt sending forces along because of how damaging its been to trade through the Suez Canal (very little of which goes to Israel).
Not only that, but by your own argument, the Houthis aren't suppressed, which raises the fucking question of why Israel seems to be carrying on with its genocide unimpeded (PROTIP: it's because the Houthi blockade targeting random ships in international waters in order to disable the least important of Israel's ports is not actually all that important to Israel except in delivering an easy PR win to Israel)
Even more astounding is that the Houthis are, themselves, literally genocidal, yet they get unabashed bootlicking from supposed leftists over costing Israel a few billion dollars. How many billions of dollars more, do you think, will Trump be giving Israel compared to Harris? But apparently, critical support for pro-genocide lunatics who reduce Israel's budget by a few meager bil only counts for the Iranian proxies, and not the anti-fascist coalition candidate.
At this point the US is the greater evil, I don't care about demonizing its enemies.
Multiple US aircraft carriers were sent to protect Israels least important port from the second-poorest country in the region. Under Biden.
Yes, because you elected the literal Nazis! Soon, they'll be executing LGB folk just like holsum critically supported Iran and the Houthis do!
To protect international trade, since the Houthis have targeted very few Israeli or Israel-bound ships, instead cratering shipping along the Red Sea entirely. But hey, at least they had a nice little excuse for 'leftists' like you to bootlick them while they murder LGBT folk and starve out dissidents! Golly gee, wouldn't it be terrible if you were supporting some fascist group like Israel? Good thing you'd never do that, right?
Oh no, cratering international shipping and hurting free trade opposing a genocidal settler state 🎻
I'm an anarchist lol why do you think I would care about free trade
Nothing like increasing the price of goods and starving some folk in third world countries to show the Israelis who's boss (by giving them a rounding error in their budget) 😊
Apparently you don't give a shit about genocide or executing LGBT folk either.
It took several months of several carrier groups as well, don't forget. They're just doing what they're capable of, which is clearly not enough to warrant that level of response.
That's literally what Israel is doing with multiple US aircraft carriers and endless ammunition supporting it. I oppose Israel because I'm directly implicated in that one. Just because I want to see Israel and the US lose doesn't mean I approve of everything their enemies do, per the original quote from you about 'popular front'
Except the carrier groups haven't managed to suppress the Houthis or restore trade. There isn't an 'intensification' of the Houthi campaign possible; they've already squeezed the Red Sea trade route to the point where most shipping just avoids it. They've maxed out - this is the limit of their contribution. But hey, anything to keep simping for fascists who murder LGBT folks, right? As your friendly neighborhood Houthis say on their fucking flag, "A Curse Upon The Jews"!
So you're willing to forgive genocide and murdering LGBT folk in one case, but not the other. Wow, it's good that you're so principled, it would be really awful if you were some kind of hypocrite who, furthermore, managed to support things getting worse for everyone while claiming it was some kind of principled stand!
I wasn't being asked to vote for the Houthi though was I? They aren't being directly funded by my taxes like the US government and by association Israel.
They're just acting in opposition to our terrorist settlers, my support of their opposition doesn't extend to every action they take, quoting you:
Supporting enemies of the US and Israel is following the same principles as supporting the enemies of Nazi Germany without necessarily approving of everything they do.
"It's okay to lick boots as long as I don't vote for them!"
Me, personally, I might find expressing moral support for genocide and the murder of LGBT folk more repulsive than casting a vote for the lesser of two evils, but I guess I'm not 'pure' enough to understand that voting is a love letter, while love letters are... just good praxis...?
The whole problem with this though is, as I pointed out, you're claiming a principled stand against lesser evilism and common foes in one case, while supporting it in another case - a case which you have much less reason to support, and much less influence. One might be tempted to think you actually have no principles, and are operating purely on some weird internet circlejerk tribalism like most campists.
You are a campist who has chosen camp 1.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats like you would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that the consequences were not too visible.
The sad part is that it didn't even poll well. The Democrats actually gave up voters to continue being Zionists.
Ah, yes, the super-leftist "We're all going to die" argument. There's no sense in having more time to fight fascism; what we REALLY need to do is roll over and let it happen. More genocide, as fast as possible! That's what TRUE leftists like you do, right? 😊
How is spending another 4 years at brunch while Gaza is turned into a parking lot suddenly fighting fascism? Democrats would be vindicated in their genocidal behavior and act like they were just savvy and correct.
You seem really fixated with painting yourself as an anti-fascist, while simultaneously attempting to browbeat people into voting for the Democrats, while they were openly participating in a genocide.
Having four years to fight against that mentality is a hell of a lot fucking better than turning Gaza into a parking lot now.
But like I said, you have the same mentality as the fascist ghouls you so eagerly enable - we're all going to die - so why not now?
I've been following the Israel-Palestine situation and US public opinion on it for as long as I've been political - ie as long as I've been in double-digits. US public opinion on Israel hasn't changed in a fucking decade of genocide, and not for three decades of genocide before that. The post-2023 situation was the first major shift in US public opinion on Israel in my fucking lifetime, and instead of trying to make the most of the shift, which was largely Dems voters shifting to 'qualified support' instead of 'unqualified support' purity-testing leftists, in the literal millions, decided to toss the election to the most pro-Israel ghoul America has ever had.
You had an opportunity to decouple the US from Israel. Instead, you decided to hand over the US to a fascist regime which will do anything for Israel. Great job.
Yes, under the same principles as WW2. I would probably be telling people that supporting the British Empire or the USA or the Soviet Union was non-negotiable despite all being imperialist genocidal states. But at least you would've had the smug satisfaction of declaring both sides were just as bad as the Nazis herded us into camps. You would've been the only TRUE anti-fascist of the lot, putting your thumb up your ass and refusing even the merest, most meager assistance to so-called 'anti-fascist' forces. :)
Trust me, my vote had zero impact on the election. Biden kicked more people off Medicaid than the number Kamala lost by, by like an order of magnitude. 25 mil unenrolled from Medicaid by "ending" COVID
It seems like a bit of a sideshow to be blaming leftists when the people doing the most damage to electoral Democrats were Joe Biden and his co-conspirators.
The only people tossing the election to the the fascists were the people literally in power at the time who decided that it was more important to protect Israel and "nothing will fundamentally change" than winning an election.
I support a popular front, it's why I am fine working with Marxists as an anarchist. Democrat politicians are not anti-fascist, at best they are collaborators, at worst active participants. Most Democrat voters who I run into in daily life are considerably less ride-or-die for Israel than their politicians.
I don't think that I will ever stop being amazed by Democrats blaming the people who voted against genocide, rather than blaming the party that chose to hand the election to Trump in order to continue genocide.
"Biden kicked off more people"
[the article literally outlines the Biden adminstration's attempts to stop Medicaid disenrolment by the states]
But hey, reading your own sources is a little too much effort! I mean, if you put in that kind of effort, what would be next? Voting AGAINST Nazis? Perish the thought!
Golly gee, I wonder why I might blame people who opted to let literal Nazis win in order to worsened a genocide they supposedly oppose??
It must be some kind of sideshow, just a paltry two million or so votes, nothing that would swing an election, lol
How is an election won, by the way?
Is it by the performance of the parties locked in aristocratic struggle with one another?
... or is it by the votes of the electorate?
You don't have to answer, I know it makes you uncomfortable to think about how voters might have a responsibility to prevent literal Nazis.
So exactly as I said - you'd sit with your thumb up your ass and let the Nazis genocide everyone they wanted, because opposing Nazis is too much of a burden on your poor wittle soul.
yeah because they'll spin anything, Biden was fucking president he could have just said "oh no there's actually still COVID, keep everyone on medicaid"
The people who were in power are the only ones to blame for their own loss. You are a cynical operator though, so keep on blaming everyone except those losers. Maybe it will work one of these times.
If you don't do heinous evil shit maybe people will vote for you. simple as. The Biden/Harris admin decided that levelling Gaza was more important than winning.
weirdly sexual comment but ok
once more, this is on the Democrats for their incompetent governance. They refused to do anything meaningful to stop Israel, refused to do anything slightly meaningful economically because the parliamentarian said no, and we all get to pay the price.
Holy fucking shit.
This is a Republican level take on the powers of the President. Fox News level understanding of civics. Christ.
"The people in power weren't entertaining enough for me to vote against murdering minorities!"
Bravo.
Apparently not, considering who you lot decided to elevate to power!
Sitting with your thumb up your ass is a common idiom. Like, you know, 'touch grass'.
I love that I say you wouldn't have opposed the Nazis in WW2 because the Allies were all imperfect, and your only response is "Well, the Dems are REALLY imperfect!"
So literally affirming my accusation. Jesus Christ.
Two wrongs, as they say, don't make a right. Or in this case, I guess, they do make a Right.
Happy cake day!
TIL voters are powerless because their vote doesn't matter unless it "sends a message" /s
The message: "If you're not exactly perfect, I'll stand aside and let fascists get elected."
"Please stop bombing children", "Please stop backing a genocide", "Please stop handing out our taxes to your rich friends", "Please stop making healthcare the number one reason for bankruptcy", "Please stop sending people to torture prisons", "Please make minimum wage a livable wage"
I think your definition of "exactly perfect" might be different from mine.
All those concerns are solved now, huh?
Respectfully, do you have any kind of brain damage, maybe a memory issue? You seem to be only able to think or plan a few months ahead at a time.
There will always be an excuse. My personal favorite was the people on here saying that they could NEVER vote for Biden because he hadn't called for a ceasefire. If he could only do that one thing they would vote for him! But of course, he wouldn't, because Biden was too deep in thrall to the Zionists to do even that much.
Of course, when Biden called for a ceasefire, they simply pretended like they'd never said that, or that calling them out on that position was somehow an endorsement of the ongoing genocide.
It makes even their legitimate criticisms ring hollow, because it all ends up sounding like self-serving bullshit.
Yeah, it's so disheartening to see so many people usher in Trump while pretending to be moral little angels.