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Seriously hating the take on this website right now that if anyone says anything slightly critical of him that we are doomers or wreckers or whatever the fuck. Does the concept of critical support just fly out the window? Do people not see that being so rigid and resorting to fucking name calling amounts to similar behavior of the blue MAGA crowd? Were they even old enough to vote in the 2020 elections and actually remember what the vibe was like for AOC and Bernie? Do they think us groaning on this website will influence votes? Idk.
people would probably have more measured responses if wankers weren't all
over literally every single thing the guy does that they disagree with
still waiting to see what he does after the election because giving a shit before then is a waste of time lol
In the last struggle session I saw a lot of insults being hurled and gnashing of teeth towards skeptical people who were replying pretty respectfully. And since the very beginning when he won the primary, perhaps even before that, this intense defensiveness was present even though no one was really criticizing the guy until he started capitulating. So nah, its not about that IMO.
Idk why people need to take it as a personal attack and defend him for every shitty concession he makes, that's Democrat behavior. Until this guy came up it seems like Mamdani stans were on here were handing the
out to everyone who is to the right of them as well, but now suddenly they just go feral. What were these people's rhetoric towards police before Mamdani came on the scene? It just really really feels like a lot of people are only willing to see what he is doing 54D chess instead of, idk, maintaining hope but also acknowledging that some of what he's doing now is sus.
I think I feel safe to say that most of us skeptics, including myself, really want to see if he sticks to his guns when he wins and we hope he does. but it seems that people think that if you aren't 100% behind him, you're 100% against him and want him to lose which is fucking ridiculous. That's mostly what I take issue with, not the fuckin dude himself, it's peoples behaviors around him and throwing any critical beliefs about electoralism out the window.
my issue is I saw the dude win the primary, saw the bourgeoisie poop their pants over it in a very genuine seeming way, saw them try and fail to smear the guy for months, so, idk, with that as the backdrop it seems to me like this is a very obvious and apparently quite successful attempt to bleed his actual leftist support by making him out to be a sell-out
the election isn't even over, I don't think it helps anything remotely resembling left wing politics to help our enemies by leaping to be critical of him when, again, the election isn't even fucking over. Let's say everyone suddenly agrees with OP and sees him as a sellout, whatever support he has collapses, and the idfk Cuomo or Silwa or Adams wins. good job, that's all this criticism really helped do!
some people might take this as me being 100% defending him or whatever but my position is "idk maybe shut up about him until the election is over, see what he actually does as mayor instead of what he does to get elected, since it doesn't really fucking matter until then"
like christ do you honestly think it's a good thing for people to literally, literally in the case of OP, say that he's 100% sold out "because he's seen standing next to elizabeth warren?" that's fucking absurd and what really gets me is it's coming from a crowd whose opinion towards electoral politics is "it's all fucking useless anyway." I don't need the "electoralism is useless" crowd to tell me out of one side of their mouth that voting is pointless, then out of the other that this guy is a sleeper agent here to steal our votes for the Democrats