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agreed on both.
the impact enabled by the people with the influence/finances coupled with the lack of self responsibility to inform yourself create uninformed voters and non-voters.
i doubt we are getting rid of fascism by just voting though.
the only voting choices people make are either diet-fascism or full-fat-fascism; the only way voting can make a difference is for people to vote for an alternative.
yes, but there isn't one though. if history is any indication, usians will have to rebel again.
there are several every voting cycle. i voted for de la cruz last time; but there better known names like jill stein.
did she ever had a chance though? i'm not from the us, but the people i vote for rarely end up elected or influential.
it's a chance to save your democracy by preventing the bigger parties from going to the right like they do in the united states.
is it? i've seen people say it, but never seen this happen in practice.
you're witnessing in real time what happens when we don't in the united states w both the republicans and democrats kowtowing to trump.
that's exactly what i mean. none of this has stopped democrats from going further and further right.
because it doesn't happen in the united states; alternative parties have significantly larger voter counts outside the united states and that forces the larger parties to appeal to voter concerns under a persistent threat of losing voters.
the democrats and the republicans have no such threat and keep shifting to the right as a result since americans refuse to vote for anything besides democrats or republicans.
i live in such a country, it's honestly not much better. a hell of a lot more lip service though.
cause at the end of the day its the oligarchs who actually rule over us, not directly the president.
no country has been untouched by american intervention and that intervention has ensured that there are large powerful parties and small weaker ones.
things get significantly better when those small parties gain power like has happened in mexico in the last decade. but other examples like argentina, will show that american intervention will once again "correct" the course of history when the american military starts bombing mexico under the guises of the "war on drugs" and "war on terrorism" and insist that they were targeting drug cartels like the isrealis were targeting hamas when they executed the last al jazeera correspondent in gaza.
yeah i agree, that was kinda my point.
oic, i thought your point was that voting for non-mainstream parties wasn't effective and that's why i brought up how mexico's non-mainstream party has improved the lives of mexicans several fold when they were voted in almost a decade ago.
Whether she did or didn't doesn't matter. If we ever want an alternative to ever succeed we must first act as if their success is viable and grow their base.
If we concede defeat before we ever see results then others will never want to throw their lot in with us.
Though, personally, I believe the entirety of the electoralists, democratic republic a failure of a system that, intersectionally with capitalism, intrinsically is designed to oppress the working class by reinforcing an arbitrary hierarchy of control but that's a very long winded argument, it's 4:30 in the morning, and I have yet to sleep.
All I'll say is people should be more focused on local elections and building dual power in a way that your local electorate can actually see affect their lives.
that's pretty much my stance. in my country some mls are trying to subvert it, to no avail. in the rare situation they get elected, they have no means of changing anything significant other than the cabinet budget they use to agitate.
we obviously have no momentum for bigger goals, so we are working on pushing back on individual policies but they are coming up with those faster than we can pressure them to repeal.
it's a long and treacherous road, i can tell you that for sure.
... educated or not, an american citizen is only allowed to vote between selected bought-and-paid-for candidates representing only the interests of the ruling class.
Dems sued to keep De La Cruz off ballots in swing states, didn't bother with reliably Republican states.
americans have more choices than democrat or republican; but they don't chose the alternatives out of a combination of peer pressure and propaganda.
is it your stance that it is only peer pressure and propaganda that keeps other parties in the us from being viable? if not, what other barriers keep the two major parties in power?
there's a lot more and the next largest barriers are voter suppression and both of the dominant parties engaging in legal maneuvers intended to diminish the ability for people to vote for any alternatives.