Israel does not control America. (hexbear.net)

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Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[-] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Anyone who understands the economic structure of imperialism would never argue against this. Good thread for showing how many people lack that understanding

To those people: you choose to teleport either the USA or Israel into another dimension and instantly replace it with the "chill timeline" version (natives not dead, etc), which solves more problems? Obviously supermegaultrahitler is a worse issue than hitler junior, insane to ask this

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

No one is arguing that "Israel" is worse for the world than the US lmao. Or at least no one should be.

[-] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

The harm Israel does to the world is a subset of the US, it mathematically could not be greater. No amount of eldritch Ryan Grim haircuts can change it. Find them and bring them to me. I will now lapse back into torpor

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The harm Israel does to the world is a subset of the US

It's not strictly a subset, "Israel" has its own interests that are separate from the US. There is a large overlap, though, and the US does so much damage outside of Palestine that there's clearly no contest on overall global impact (obviously).

IMO, the framing that "Israel" is a strict subset of America basically minimizes the agency and therefore accountability of "Israelis". It's a sovereign state, even though it benefits from a large amount of American support.

[-] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We're not talking about moral accountability we are talking about the economic system that Israel's genocide upholds, which funds its existence through unlimited superprofits. Name something they've done that goes against US interest that wasn't kayfabe. (Conflating the interest of the US public with that of the ruling class decisionmakers is unhelpful and I see it all over this thread.)

[-] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

There are several good examples, and instead of going into specifics, I can just say that whenever the US had to stop them they were already doing something outside of interests. There is some threshhold (flexible, probably dependent on the specific leaders) at which the interests disalign enough for intervention. But there is room to play within those boundaries. It's just as much a fiction to imagine that the empire is run inflexibly. This means all levels are valuable to analyze in different contexts and with different strategies