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[-] magnue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Wouldn't humans do the same thing if someone literally writes lies on the internet?

[-] Kacarott@aussie.zone 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If it were convincing lies made to deceive, then sure. But in this case the papers were deliberately made to be immediately obviously fake, to anyone actually reading them.

So I guess the question would be "would humans do the same thing if someone literally writes obvious jokes on the internet?"

[-] HylicManoeuvre@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

More shockingly, three Indian researchers published a research paper that cited the preprint on the fake disease in Cureus, a peer-reviewed journal published by Springer. It was subsequently retracted.

lol

[-] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

Looks at Flat-Earthers

Yes they would

[-] Napster153@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's how we ended up with modern day anti-vaxxers but at least with humans you can strangle the dude responsible. LLMs function like modern idols that the makers use to get away with.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bohannon#Intentionally_misleading_chocolate_study

Yes, people would exactly do the same, because nobody reads anything but the headline of a paper. Even journalists don't.

AI didn't invent the problem, but it put the problem on steroids.

[-] ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Even journalists don't

Not sure what point your making here, I wouldn't expect most journalists to be great at reading the details of papers like this...

[-] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Research and fact checking is what separates journalists from hacks.
"Journalist" implies factual information, not science fiction. If someone writes a "news" story about the magic land of Xanth because they can't tell the difference between a Piers Anthony novel and a scientific study it's not Piers Anthony's fault for being too "tricky".

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Vetting sources is the one thing we need journalists for. If they don't vet their sources, their work is without merit.

Reading at least the methodology section of a paper and googling if the researchers and the institute exists, is the bare minimum of what a decent journalist should do.

If they can't do that, then there's no advantage of a journalist over some random person posting on Facebook. Even Youtubers usually vet their sources better.

[-] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 month ago

Absolutely! Once false information is out there it can't be retracted even if the article itself is retracted. Bumblebees can't fly and vaccines cause autism are good examples of that. The only difference i can imagine is that LLMs have a much larger reach and may spread shit faster

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

But the Lancet did not retract the Wakefield paper for 12 years. The Lancet should have been shut down for that.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This. Here's a comparable case where human journalists did exactly what LLMs are doing now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bohannon#Intentionally_misleading_chocolate_study

The difference is the scale.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

wym bumblebees can't fly I've seen them myself

[-] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

There was a publication, maybe in german, not sure, which stated that bumblebee can't fly due to their aerodynamics which i think assumed that a bumblebee was a fixed wing aircraft, which it obviously isn't. Or maybe it was a hoax to proof that hoaxes spead and can't be retracted. Not sure. I think it's quite old actually, dating back to the 1920s or 30s.

[-] FluorineBalloon@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't have a source but I've always heard it as "according to everything we know about aerodynamics bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly but they do anyway." People use it as motivation, or to justify ignoring proven science.

(Edited to fix swype errors)

this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2026
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