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Careful, you might summon the vote blue crowd. Can't have people criticizing their god king
Don't get me wrong, I'll still be voting for biden since the Republicans can't find a better person than trump in the entire country.
I mean, I'm voting for Biden because the Democrats don't seem to want to find better than him.
Unless there's some very radical changes (and not towards more right-wing extremism) in the Republican party, they won't field anyone who will make the country more prosperous. Trump is symptomatic, not an outlier.
I've spent most of my life supporting 3rd parties, but with someone like trump trying to destroy democracy and our freedom, I have no choice but to vote for the person best equipped to stop him. If there was a more tolerable republican, I'd consider going back to supporting the end of the 2 party system
Supporting third party candidates at the federal level doesn't mean ending the two-party system... it means you value pride over pragmatism. This has been a problem since long before Trump ever came within a stones throw of the white house.
I value what having more than two parties would bring us... but its delusional to think they can be anything but a spoiler for presidential races, until we do something much further down the chain.
Plurality voting only really works well in two candidate elections. In three candidate elections, you start to frequently run into problems with spoilers.
'Social utility efficiency' is a mathematical measure of how happy people are with the results of stimulated elections. Plurality scales far worse than any other reasonable method.
Because of that, the best performing third parties in countries that use plurality are regional ones. You'll have local elections where one of the national major parties is functionally a third party.
Trying to oppose the two party system by just voting third party is about as effective as trying to end car dependency by just biking down major stroads. Without changing the underlying environment (e.g. switching to a better voting system or building a protected bike lane), most people won't follow you.
"Vote for us! You have no choice!" Is a shitty message.
I have always felt that way, but we're so close to the tipping point of our democracy coming irreversibly unraveled that pragmatism is the only rational course for someone that believes in democracy. We should all be single-issue voters if the issue is democracy vs fascism.
If the party would quit taking advantage of us having no choice, the argument that we have no choice would sound a lot less like gloating.
Same. By vote blue crowd, I mean the people that believe you can't criticize the Democrats because otherwise you're a MAGA supporter. I call them that due their always vote blue attitude
Not joking, I honestly think some Democratic party members were (understandably) traumatized by Trump being elected and being president, and that (unfortunately) causes them to be hyper-aggressive douchebags when it comes to supporting Biden, which is sort of understandable but also thoroughly exhausting and really does harm to this country by making it difficult for people to discuss why things have continued to get worse under Biden and where improvements need to be made
They were hyperaggressive douchebags before Clinton lost.
I think some of us are traumatized by Reddit and Trump. Because for every person offering legit, good faith, well thought out criticism of Biden or the Democratic party (and there are plenty of things to criticize), I could show you about 1000 shills, bots, The Donald magats, and so on, following the alt right playbook like a fucking bible.
You call 'em what you will. Call me one if it feels right. But I don't see viable options in the short term at this dark point in the nation's history.
I think long term it is going to have to be a bottom up involvement in politics to maybe try to put the corporate bootlickers in the Democratic party. It's going to have to be a long fight to fix the judiciary, undo citizens united, fix the corrupt, partisan SCOTUS, reform campaign finance, implement something other than first past the post voting, fix gerrymandering, break up oligopolies, and a million other things. I'm too tired to list it all.
Of course one could argue that centrists aren't the right folks to fight fascism. And might enable it. Anyway...
Lol, it doesn't work that way. Good try though.
Those who fear criticism deserve it the most.
Or just have anxiety
[looks over shoulder at pile of dark Brandon memes]
That you?
Sheesh, those downvotes...some larger instances are feeling more and more like Reddit.