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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Started researching origins of Israel/Palestine beginning in the Bronze Ages til present to dunk on everyone with their shitty takes. I am and never have been a big history person, but I've more or less gone through the Bronze Ages - 1940's and figured out surrounding context for myself, just need to flesh out my notes. I'd love suggestions on what to study that could be important to getting an advanced grasp on the relations over the years, from any time period. Plsthx

[-] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

I am and never have been a big history person, but I've more or less gone through the Bronze Ages

We definitely need more posters filled with dunks on the Hittites and Sea People on anti-Israel rallies, yes

[-] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

The Hittites rocked you Ramses II loving loser. Why don't you go carve another stela about the times we kicked your ass and tell everybody how not owned you were. Oh, you wanna brag about your faster chariots? Yeah, faster at running away from the battlefield.

The Sea People are some cheating bastards, using their skirmishers as anti-chariots troops. If they had fought us fairly we would have kicked their asses.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

There's Ten Myths of Israel, which is pretty short. The only flaw is since the author is an anti-Zionist Israeli who is more or less exiled from Israel, the last chapters about Palestine's future tends to be bleak and pessimistic.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Awesome thank you for the link! Just based on the synopsis it looks like it's going to go into detail with some of the points I wanted to highlight/challenge so that will be great

[-] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

All though this learning is great and we should do this hard study work, I think it's important to realize that these justifications based in false history are just an aposteriori rationale. You can make someone feel dumb for it, but it won't convince people on its own. People believe it because it supports their interests. We have to learn to turn people into traitors to those interests, not convince them that they rationalise those interests incorrectly. Or convince them that socialism is more in their interests, but this is very difficult in the west.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Oh for sure, I was mostly being facetious about dunking lol. I mostly have seen so much misinformation and half truths and half context recently that I wanted yo dig as hard as I can in a short amount if time to connect dots. I'll probably try to correct outright disinformation when I see it but I know most people, online at least, are not interested in having their minds changed.

[-] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Any chance you would be willing to make a post about what you’ve learned once you’ve finished?

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Absolutely, I can do an effort post. A disclaimer though, this will be very quickly put together and written for someone who has a very limited knowledge of the area and its history so it will be short and sweet and (hopefully) as accurate as I can get it

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

A literature list would be of great help to me.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

For my research I'm mostly going to do my work online and when I get a lot of pieces put together I'll double check my sources; I'm planning to form it as a sparknotes type situation for folks who only have a surface level understanding of what's going on or who only know a few things about the recent past. Unfortunately I think my hyperfixations are so brief that I wouldn't be able to read a ton of literature. Though I'm sure lots of other people have recs though, lots of other people much smarter and well read than I here

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

The history of the Israeli Palestine conflict starts in the 1880s. The only reason to go before that is so you can clearly show that this isn't some bullshit ancient holy war.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I'm only planning on doing more or less a SparkNotes version of the history starting from then to really just set the stage. Really does seem that Ottoman/British intervention is where things started to get complicated but I just found the early civ stuff interesting

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